Prawdziwy wiek Sfinksa

Prrivan

Dwaj bulgarscy naukowcy,Vjacheslav I. Manichev oraz Alexander G. Parkhomenko opublikowali na konferencji poswieconej archeologii i paleoastronautyce odbywajacej sie w Sofii wyniki swoich badan stwierdzajacych iz Sfinks z Gazy nie powstal jak sie powszechnie uwaza 7-14000 lat temu lecz liczy sobie przynajmniej 800000 lat.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread441017/pg1

Cytat:

If I am reading this paper correctly then John Anthony West and Dr Robert Schoch may be considered positive "orthodox angels" compared with the dating estimation of the Great Sphinx at Giza offered in this paper:

:...The absolute mark of the upper large erosion hollow of the Sphinx corresponds to the level of water surface which took place in the Early Pleistocene. The Great Egyptian Sphinx had already stood on the Giza Plateau by that geological (historical) time [Early Pleistocene] .... All the following phases differed by wavy lowering of the sea level marks. It is the sea level during the Calabrian phase which is the closest to the present mark with the highest GES hollow at its level. High level of sea water also caused the Nile overflowing and created long-living water-bodies. As to time it corresponds to 800,000 years.

After the completion of lacustrine (fresh water) stage in the GES life other natural processes superimpose the vertical GES profile formed by water, especially at the stage of desert climate development. The sand abrasion (Eolian in a broad sense) was directed to smoothing the contrast forms and led to even greater destruction of the monument.

The suggested hypothesis concerning the relative dating of GES erection is based on the analogy with natural processes known in marine geology and explains the formation of hollows in the Sphinx as wave-cut ones. Further necessity of studying the substance composition of the GES rocks with the purpose of a detailed lithological-mineralogical research can be
suggested.

If the world geological science will succeed in studying all the disputable GES aspects connected with the time of its construction and in proving an earlier age of construction, than the Old Egypt civilization, it will lead to new comprehension of history, and as a result, to reveal true motive forces of the intellectual development of civilization.

Conclusion

A comparison of the formation of wave-cut hollows on the sea coasts with erosion structures in the form of hollows observed on the surface of the Great Egyptian Sphinx permits a conclusion about the similarity of the formation mechanism. It is connected to water activity in large water bodies during the Sphinx submersion for a long period of time. Geological data from literary sources can suggest a possible Sphinx submersion in the Early Pleistocene, and its initial construction is believed to date from the time of most ancient history.

GEOLOGICAL ASPECT OF THE PROBLEM OF DATING THE GREAT EGYPTIAN SPHINX CONSTRUCTION, Vjacheslav I Manichev, Alexander G. Parkhomenko

Source: mgu.bg...

I guess it's all relative really.

Regards,

Scott Creighton

Pelen raport w pdf dostepny na:
http://mgu.bg/geoarchmin/naterials/64Manichev.pdf

Ciekawe co wyjdzie jako nastepne hehe.Milion lat temu to podobno malpoludy czcily ogien jako boga i mieszkaly w jaskiniach...podobno...

Bimi

Prrivan napisał:

Dwaj bulgarscy naukowcy,Vjacheslav I. Manichev oraz Alexander G. Parkhomenko opublikowali na konferencji poswieconej archeologii i paleoastronautyce odbywajacej sie w Sofii wyniki swoich badan stwierdzajacych iz Sfinks z Gazy nie powstal jak sie powszechnie uwaza 7-14000 lat temu lecz liczy sobie przynajmniej 800000 lat.

Chyba źle zinterpretowałes ich krótką publikację.

Cytat:

Conclusion
A comparison of the formation of wave-cut hollows on the
sea coasts with erosion structures in the form of hollows
observed on the surface of the Great Egyptian Sphinx permits
a conclusion about the similarity of the formation mechanism. It
is connected to water activity in large water bodies during the
Sphinx submersion for a long period of time. Geological data
from literary sources can suggest a possible Sphinx
submersion in the Early Pleistocene, and its initial construction
is believed to date from the time of most ancient history.

Innymi słowy: nic nie stwierdzili, tylko wysnuli hipotezę. I wcale się przy niej nie upierają.

Prrivan

Pardon,a gdzie ja napisalem ze to cos innego niz hipoteza i ze sie przy tym upieraja?
Czy tez inaczej,nie twierdza ze maja racje tylko ze jest to mozliwe.Mozna twierdzic,pytac lub rozkazywac,wiec gdzie popelnilem blad w konstrukcji posta?
Napisalem jedynie o publikacji podsumowujacej ich badania,czytanie ze zrozumieniem sie klania Cool

Bimi

ej, no sorry, ale tytuł "Prawdziwy wiek Sfinksa" brzmi dość jednoznacznie. plus napisałeś:

Cytat:

opublikowali [...] wyniki swoich badan stwierdzajacych iz Sfinks z Gazy nie powstal [...] 7-14000 lat temu lat temu lecz liczy sobie przynajmniej 800000 lat.

w żadnym wypadku nie przedstawiłeś tego jako hipotezy - nie w moim języku Smile

wcisnąłeś tym biednym naukowcom w usta słowa których nie użyli, więc nie mów mi że to ja mam się nauczyć czytać ze zrozumieniem.
po prostu przestań koloryzować informacje.

Prrivan

Okay okay,wiec ci naukowcy zasugerowali ze to mozliwe,upierac sie nie bede przy slowkach...

Voltar

nei no, artykuł jest groteskowy, do erozji wodnej nie trzeba zmiany poziomu morza, wystarczyły obfite opady deszczu po za kończeniu ostatniej epoki lodowcowej...

tak przy okazji... ciekawe ile ciekawych rzeczy skrywają piasku Sahary...

Bimi

Voltar napisał:

tak przy okazji... ciekawe ile ciekawych rzeczy skrywają piasku Sahary...

szczególnie jakby się zagłębić 800tys. lat wstecz Laughing

Aiedail · Dołączył: 03 Mar 2009 Posty: 361 Post zebrał 0 sat Podarowałeś sat

Czytałem, że do pewnej wysokości na Sfinksie i piramidach są pozostałości małych, morskich stworzeń. To by oznaczało, że tereny te przynajmniej przez pewien czas były zalane wodą morską.
Jeśli przyjąć teorię o Potopie, który miał nastąpić 9000 - 12000 lat temu, piramidy i Sfinks powinny pochodzić sprzed tego okresu. Jednak 800000 lat temu moim zdaniem to przesada Wink

Prrivan

Pod piramidami odkryto gigantyczny kompleks jaskiń-nie tylko naturalnego pochodzenia:

http://www.disclose.tv/frameset.php?url=.....-giza.html

Cytat:

Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids
Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

Aug. 13, 2009 -- An enormous system of caves, chambers and tunnels lies hidden beneath the Pyramids of Giza, according to a British explorer who claims to have found the lost underworld of the pharaohs.

Populated by bats and venomous spiders, the underground complex was found in the limestone bedrock beneath the pyramid field at Giza.

"There is untouched archaeology down there, as well as a delicate ecosystem that includes colonies of bats and a species of spider which we have tentatively identified as the white widow," British explorer Andrew Collins said.

Collins, who will detail his findings in the book "Beneath the Pyramids" to be published in September, tracked down the entrance to the mysterious underworld after reading the forgotten memoirs of a 19th century diplomat and explorer.

"In his memoirs, British consul general Henry Salt recounts how he investigated an underground system of 'catacombs' at Giza in 1817 in the company of Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia," Collins said.

The document records that the two explored the caves for a distance of "several hundred yards," coming upon four large chambers from which stretched further cave passageways.

With the help of British Egyptologist Nigel Skinner-Simpson, Collins reconstructed Salt's exploration on the plateau, eventually locating the entrance to the lost catacombs in an apparently unrecorded tomb west of the Great Pyramid.

Indeed, the tomb featured a crack in the rock, which led into a massive natural cave.

"We explored the caves before the air became too thin to continue. They are highly dangerous, with unseen pits and hollows, colonies of bats and venomous spiders," said Collins.

According to Collins, the caves -- which are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years old -- may have both inspired the development of the pyramid field and the ancient Egyptian's belief in an underworld.

"Ancient funerary texts clearly allude to the existence of a subterranean world in the vicinity of the Giza pyramids," Collins told Discovery News.

Indeed, Giza was known anciently as Rostau, meaning the "mouth of the passages."

This is the same name as a region of the ancient Egyptian underworld known as the Duat.

"The 'mouth of the passages' is unquestionably a reference to the entrance to a subterranean cave world, one long rumored to exist beneath the plateau," Collins told Discovery News.

Collins' claim is expected to cause a stir in the Egyptological world.

Zahi Hawass, chief of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, has dismissed the discovery.

"There are no new discoveries to be made at Giza. We know everything about the plateau," he stated.

But Collins remarks that after extensive research, he found no mention of the caves in modern times.

"To the best of our knowledge nothing has ever been written or recorded about these caves since Saltâ€™s explorations. If Hawass does have any report related to these caves, we have yet to see it," Collins said.

Dysputant

To się ponoć nazywa wielki Labirynt. I skrywa on historie ludzi sprzed tej którą my znamy.
Oczywiście nikt nic niewie na 100%.
W książce zakazana archeologia są bardzo ciekawe znaleziska.
Podam najciekawsze:
Prekamb 2800 mln lat temu.
Ottosdal, Afryka Południowa
Żłobiona metaliczna kula, kule wykonane z limonitu.
Ilość znalezionych kul: kilkaset
Znalezione w Pyrofilicie , "in situ" czyli z nienaruszonymi warstwami sedymentacyjnymi.
Inaczej. nie było to nanoszenie materiału przez wodę lub powietrze. a o zasypaniu przez człowieka można zapomnieć.
Aha na kulach znajdują się żłobienia od 1 do max 3
wokół najszerszego miejsca (na środku jakby)
Podejżewano iż są to zwykłe konkrecje limonitu (2 takich na świecie nie znaleziono) lecz warstwy zewnętrznej nie można było zarysować nawet stalowym ostrzem.
Stal - 7 mohsa
limonit 4 - 5,5 mohsa
1 - talk , 10 - diament

Inne
metaliczny wazonik - 600 mln lat w USA

Kambr
odcisk buta - 505 - 590 mln lat temu, USA
Dewon
żelazny gwóźdź w kamiennym bloku - 360-408 mln lat temu Szkocja
Karbon
żelazny kubek 312 mln lat , USA
rzeźbiony kamień 286-360 mln lat temu, USA
szkielet człowieka 286-320 mln lat temu , USA
złoty łańcuszek 260-320 mln lat temu , USA

znaleziska ciągną się przez resztę epok aż do
późnego plejstocenu
fragmenty ludzkiej czaszki 0,03 - 0,02 mln lat
takie kości powinny istnieć najwcześniej w 0,01 mln lat temu
Tereny Francji.
_________________
Moja odpowiedź na zaczepki TROLL-i.

http://www.pown.it/3385

Ordel

Dysputant napisał:

To się ponoć nazywa wielki Labirynt. I skrywa on historie ludzi sprzed tej którą my znamy.
Oczywiście nikt nic niewie na 100%.
W książce zakazana archeologia są bardzo ciekawe znaleziska.
Podam najciekawsze:
Prekamb 2800 mln lat temu.
Ottosdal, Afryka Południowa
Żłobiona metaliczna kula, kule wykonane z limonitu.
Ilość znalezionych kul: kilkaset
Znalezione w Pyrofilicie , "in situ" czyli z nienaruszonymi warstwami sedymentacyjnymi.
Inaczej. nie było to nanoszenie materiału przez wodę lub powietrze. a o zasypaniu przez człowieka można zapomnieć.
Aha na kulach znajdują się żłobienia od 1 do max 3
wokół najszerszego miejsca (na środku jakby)
Podejżewano iż są to zwykłe konkrecje limonitu (2 takich na świecie nie znaleziono) lecz warstwy zewnętrznej nie można było zarysować nawet stalowym ostrzem.
Stal - 7 mohsa
limonit 4 - 5,5 mohsa
1 - talk , 10 - diament

Inne
metaliczny wazonik - 600 mln lat w USA

Kambr
odcisk buta - 505 - 590 mln lat temu, USA
Dewon
żelazny gwóźdź w kamiennym bloku - 360-408 mln lat temu Szkocja
Karbon
żelazny kubek 312 mln lat , USA
rzeźbiony kamień 286-360 mln lat temu, USA
szkielet człowieka 286-320 mln lat temu , USA
złoty łańcuszek 260-320 mln lat temu , USA

znaleziska ciągną się przez resztę epok aż do
późnego plejstocenu
fragmenty ludzkiej czaszki 0,03 - 0,02 mln lat
takie kości powinny istnieć najwcześniej w 0,01 mln lat temu
Tereny Francji.

Historia świata zatacza koło , zawsze ." Zarzadzający " ta planeta od milinów lat działają według tej samej zasady na końcu której jest zagłada - np. mit Atlantydy -. Nikt i nic nie jest w stani przerwać błędnego koła . U szczytu rozwoju wszysko się zawali jak domek z kart , takie jest nasze przeznaczenie .
_________________
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K4J90s1A2M

porfirij

Ordel napisał:

Nikt i nic nie jest w stani przerwać błędnego koła . U szczytu rozwoju wszysko się zawali jak domek z kart , takie jest nasze przeznaczenie .

i tu się mylisz stojący za nwo chcą to błędne koło przerwać, prawda że może w niezbyt elegancki sposób ale z drugiej strony cel uświęca środki. zresztą tak po prawdzie to większość ludzi na tej planecie jest bezużyteczna i nic nie wnosi do rozwoju cywilizacji dlatego też należy popierać te szlachetne dążenia bo alternatywą jest zagłada cywilizacji i całego gatunku. I LOVE NWO Smile

Ordel

porfirij napisał:

Ordel napisał:

Nikt i nic nie jest w stani przerwać błędnego koła . U szczytu rozwoju wszysko się zawali jak domek z kart , takie jest nasze przeznaczenie .

i tu się mylisz stojący za nwo chcą to błędne koło przerwać, prawda że może w niezbyt elegancki sposób ale z drugiej strony cel uświęca środki. zresztą tak po prawdzie to większość ludzi na tej planecie jest bezużyteczna i nic nie wnosi do rozwoju cywilizacji dlatego też należy popierać te szlachetne dążenia bo alternatywą jest zagłada cywilizacji i całego gatunku. I LOVE NWO Smile

A może ty sie mylisz . Co masz na mysli pisząc o rozwoju cywilizacyjnym ? Bo dla mnie szczytem rozwoju cywilizacji jest świat bez jakiej kolwiek władzy , bez żadnego ,rządu , bez przymusu , ale żebyśmy dotarli do tego etapu trzeba nauczyc się korzystać z mózgu i po prostu zerwać kajdany które mamy w głowie . Na pewno nie doświadcze tego przełomu za mojego życia , raczej niesamowite cierpienie i ból w którym pogrąża się świat . Zresztą juz o tym pisałem . Najpierw musi byc źle , żeby było dobrze .
_________________
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K4J90s1A2M

sharpmarv

Prrivan napisał:

Pod piramidami odkryto gigantyczny kompleks jaskiń-nie tylko naturalnego pochodzenia:

http://www.disclose.tv/frameset.php?url=.....-giza.html

Cytat:

Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids
Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News

Aug. 13, 2009 -- An enormous system of caves, chambers and tunnels lies hidden beneath the Pyramids of Giza, according to a British explorer who claims to have found the lost underworld of the pharaohs.

Populated by bats and venomous spiders, the underground complex was found in the limestone bedrock beneath the pyramid field at Giza.

"There is untouched archaeology down there, as well as a delicate ecosystem that includes colonies of bats and a species of spider which we have tentatively identified as the white widow," British explorer Andrew Collins said.

Collins, who will detail his findings in the book "Beneath the Pyramids" to be published in September, tracked down the entrance to the mysterious underworld after reading the forgotten memoirs of a 19th century diplomat and explorer.

"In his memoirs, British consul general Henry Salt recounts how he investigated an underground system of 'catacombs' at Giza in 1817 in the company of Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia," Collins said.

The document records that the two explored the caves for a distance of "several hundred yards," coming upon four large chambers from which stretched further cave passageways.

With the help of British Egyptologist Nigel Skinner-Simpson, Collins reconstructed Salt's exploration on the plateau, eventually locating the entrance to the lost catacombs in an apparently unrecorded tomb west of the Great Pyramid.

Indeed, the tomb featured a crack in the rock, which led into a massive natural cave.

"We explored the caves before the air became too thin to continue. They are highly dangerous, with unseen pits and hollows, colonies of bats and venomous spiders," said Collins.

According to Collins, the caves -- which are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years old -- may have both inspired the development of the pyramid field and the ancient Egyptian's belief in an underworld.

"Ancient funerary texts clearly allude to the existence of a subterranean world in the vicinity of the Giza pyramids," Collins told Discovery News.

Indeed, Giza was known anciently as Rostau, meaning the "mouth of the passages."

This is the same name as a region of the ancient Egyptian underworld known as the Duat.

"The 'mouth of the passages' is unquestionably a reference to the entrance to a subterranean cave world, one long rumored to exist beneath the plateau," Collins told Discovery News.

Collins' claim is expected to cause a stir in the Egyptological world.

Zahi Hawass, chief of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, has dismissed the discovery.

"There are no new discoveries to be made at Giza. We know everything about the plateau," he stated.

But Collins remarks that after extensive research, he found no mention of the caves in modern times.

"To the best of our knowledge nothing has ever been written or recorded about these caves since Saltâ€™s explorations. If Hawass does have any report related to these caves, we have yet to see it," Collins said.

Ciekawy tekst, bardzo ciekawy ... czyzby wielki labirynt?
tu macie link do przetlumaczonego newsa

Aya Sophia

Posmiejemy sie teraz z Projektu Cheops? Wink

_________________
"W pozornie beznadziejnej walce, rozwiązanie tych problemów jest proste. Jedyną broń jaką mają przeciwko nam jest ukrywanie przed nami wiedzy. Musicie dużo czytać, by
poznać prawdę i dostrzec korzenie zła"

Prrivan

Blog Collinsa gdzie obszerniej opisuje swoje odkrycie:

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Beneath%20Breakdown%20240709.htm

Cytat:

B E N E A T H
T H E
P Y R A M I D S

EGYPT'S GREATEST SECRET REVEALED?

A Comprehensive Introduction to Andrew Collins's
new book released in September 2009

1. THE LOST CATACOMBS

In 1817, Sir Henry Salt, British Counsel General to Egypt, along with the maverick Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia, explored a spacious tomb west of the Great Pyramid. It was part of a systematic investigation of Giza's famous necropolis in their unerring bid to find, and convey back to their own countries, antiquities and treasures of every kind, whether of commercial or philological value.

The Sphinx as drawn by the Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia in 1817.
After exploring a crack in the rock, Salt and Caviglia unexpectedly found themselves peering inside a chasm-like chamber, partly hewn, partly natural, which opened up into a maze of subterranean passages. After travelling for a distance of some several hundred yards, the two men chanced upon a giant hewn chamber, which led into three more chambers of equal size, from which led 'labyrinthink' passages going off in various directions. Salt left Caviglia to explore them, he having become bored by these empty corridors and chambers. The Italian followed one or two for a few hundred feet more before giving up, having found no obvious antiquities.

It is a wonderful story, yet one that has gone unreported through to this present day, since no record of Caviglia's exploration of the 'catacombs' have survived, and Salt's own account, preserved in his memoirs, were only rediscovered recently, after nearly 200 years of obscurity. So what exactly had Salt and Caviglia found, and why is their account so important?

Ever since the age of the Pharaohs Egyptian myths have spoken of an underworld domain existing beneath the Giza plateau. Similar stories were told by Roman and Arab travellers to Egypt, and even by those who inhabit the villages on the edge of the hot desert that still encroaches the plateau today.

Henry Salt, British consul general to Egypt, who employed the services of Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia to investigate the sepulchral monuments at Giza in 1817.

In more modern times psychics and mystics such as America's 'sleeping prophet' Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) have revived the search for what has become known as the Hall of Records, an underground library said to contain the lost arts and treasures of an ante-diluvian civilization. In the last 50 years several expeditions, almost all of them funded by the Association for Research and Enlightenment (ARE), the active wing of the Edgar Cayce Foundation, have attempted without success to locate its entrance.

Did the series of catacombs uncovered by Salt and Caviglia lead eventually to the lost Hall of Records, or were they simply natural cavities of very little archaeological value? Was there any real truth in the stories regarding the existence of an underworld domain beneath the Giza pyramid field? Was there any way its entrance might be located today?

These questions and more the author sought to answer when in 1998 he began his own quest of discovery on the celebrated plateau at Giza, strewn with ruined monuments and empty sepulchres from a bygone age. Little did he realise that just ten years later I would be arguably the first person to rediscover and record those same catacombs and 'labyrinthink' passages in an incredible story of treasure and discovery, reminiscent of the earliest days of exploration on the plateau.

2. INTO THE UNDERWORLD

In the foundation texts found carved on the walls of the Ptolemaic temple of Edfu in southern Egypt are reference to an island surrounded by water expressed in terms of a mound of first creation that emerged from a primeval ocean (called the Nun) at the beginning of time. Although this concept is found among the creation myths of other cult centers in Egypt, what makes the Edfu texts unique is that they allude to the existence within the island of a subterranean realm known as the duat n ba, the "Underworld (or Netherworld) of the Soul".

This sacred domain was reached via a construction named bw-hnm, the "Place of the Well", within which was something described as the bnnt, meaning 'embryo', or 'seed', called also the "Great Lotus", or "Throne". It exuded a divine radiance able to effect creation in the outside world, i.e. create the physical world around it. During an epoch known as the First Occasion (zep tepi), mythical beings referred to as the wrw n wrw, the "Eldest of the Eldest Ones", or the "Primeval Ones", gathered to perform magical rites using power objects, called iht, "relics", in concert with the functions of the bnnt-embryo. The expression iht might well imply a hand-held stone or crystal, like the sacred lingams of Hindu tradition, a subject covered in some detail in the book. The Primeval Ones were said to have created a sacred domain on the edge of the lake, where they erected the first temple and temple enclosure in honour of their glorious leader called the Falcon, a kind of bird-man, perhaps a powerful shaman in the guise of a bird.

Egyptologist EAE Reymond wrote in 1969 that the mythical world described in the Edfu texts must really have existed during some primordial age. She saw clear signs in the texts that this sacred domain was located north of the royal city of Memphis in Lower Egypt. North of Memphis brings you to Rostau, the northern extent of the city's great necropolis, known today as Giza (el-Jizeh).

So was the primeval mound or island of creation to be found in the vicinity of Giza, where an ancient branch of the Nile once flowed? If so, what became of this place, and where was it in relationship to the Great Pyramid and its neighbours on the plateau today? More importantly did the Underworld of the Soul really exist as a subterranean realm? Could its entrance, called the Place of the Well, be located today?

3. WELL OF THE SOUL

Convinced that the Place of the Well existed somewhere in the vicinity of the plateau at Giza, I chanced upon a legend preserved among the inhabitants of Nazlet es-Samman, the modern village serving the nearby pyramid field. It spoke of a holy well of untold importance said to be the abode of a holy man named Hammed es-Samman. His duty was to guard its entrance, for beneath it was a stone passage that led directly to what was remembered as an underground "city" or "palace".

That was at the end of 1998. No further information was forthcoming until May 2005, when during a research trip to Giza I was introduced to a local business entrepreneur named Ali es-Samman. He knew very well the legend of Hammad es-Samman, explaining that until recently the saint had been venerated during an annual festival organized by the inhabitants of Nazlet es-Samman. More significantly, Ali was himself a living descendent of Hammad es-Samman, adding that the truth about the well had been kept secret until now, its significance being known only to a handful of village elders. According to Ali it did indeed link to an underground passageway which led, eventually, to a subterranean 'city' located beneath the modern village.

The well Bir el-Samman in Giza's Islamic cemetery. Does it conceal an entrance into the Underworld of the Soul? (Picture copyright: Andrew Collins, 2005)

Incredibly, Ali went on to reveal the whereabouts of the well. He said it was located beneath one of several sacred sycamore fig trees, located in the heart of the modern Islamic cemetery Aish el-Ghurob ("bread of the crow") in the south-east corner of the plateau. Stunned, I asked whether I might be able to visit this holy place, and was told I could go there the following day. It is important to emphasise here that prior to this time there had been very few references to this well in any of the hundreds of books written on the history of the monuments on the Giza plateau, and even then its significance had not been recognised.

So the next day, after dodging the secret police that linger around the Sphinx entrance to the plateau, and paying baksheesh to the guardians of the cemetery, I found myself being ushered past rows of white painted box tombs into the presence of one of Giza's lost holy sites.

The well, called Bir es-Samman, meaning the "well of the samman bird", is extremely old, being shown on the very earliest maps of the plateau. Its crystal-clear water, drunk by all who frequent the cemetery, comes from subterranean fissures that might easily break through to underground chambers and passages deep beneath the plateau.

Whilst at Bir es-Samman, standing beneath the shade of a mature sycamore fig tree (el-gomez in Arabic), a descendant of one mentioned in ancient Egyptian texts, I noticed just how close the well was to the north face of a prominent rocky knoll, situated some 150 metres to the south.

Known today as Gebel Gibli (also spelt Gebel Gibli or Jebel Qibli), Arabic for "southern hill", this enigmatic rock formation rises to a height of 60 metres (197 feet) above sea-level and lies approximately 400 metres due south of the Sphinx.

From the north, where the Giza pyramids are located, Gebel Gibli seems to stick out like some kind of age-old primeval mound. Was there any evidence that this area might hold clues regarding Giza's greatest secret - the Underworld of the Soul of the Edfu texts?

The rocky knoll Gebel Gibli rises out of the plateau beyond the Sphinx. (Picture copyright: Andrew Collins 2005)

4. THE HIDDEN REALM OF SOKAR

One clue regarding Gebel Gibli's role at Giza is the Dream Stela, an inscribed stone slab set up between the paws of the Sphinx. It was erected by the pharaoh Thutmosis IV to commemorate the role played in his ascension to the throne by Harmachis (Hor-em-akhet, Horus in the Horizon), an ancient name for the monument. It refers to the Sphinx being located "beside Sokar in Rostau", with Rostau being the ancient name for Giza. Significantly, Rostau means something like "mouth of the passages".

Sokar is arguably one of the oldest gods of ancient Egypt. He presided over death, resurrection, as well as the darkness of the tomb in which the dead lay in eternal slumber. Sokar is usually shown as a falcon-headed deity, either seated on a throne or wrapped as a mummy. He was guardian of the Memphite necropolis, in particular its northern extent of Rostau. Here was to be found a shrine to Sokar called the Shetayet, quite literally the "tomb of god" (a variation of the same name is used to describe the vulva and womb of the sky goddess Nuit). Although its location has never been determined, some have considered it to be in the vicinity of Gebel Gibli, beneath which lies the well Bir es-Samman. More revealingly, Sokar has been identified with the mythical leader of the Edfu texts known as the Falcon, whose mythical precursors, the Primeaval Ones, were responsible for building Egypt's first temple and enclosure, on the banks of the lake containing the sacred island of creation.
Sokar's great rival, even by the Pyramid Age, was Osiris, the god of death and resurrection. His cult absorbed the falcon god's attributes and sites, until Sokar became simply Sokar-Osiris or even Ptah-Sokar-Osiris, after Ptah, the creator god of Memphis, whose cult also absorbed that of Sokar. Even though Osiris most probably started as a vegetation god of the Nile Delta, associated with cycles of regeneration, he quickly usurped Sokar's role as "Lord of Rostau". Even the Shetayet, the lost womb-like shrine of Sokar, evolved into the "Tomb of Osiris".

Yet one place that Sokar continued to rule was the Duat, the Egyptian underworld, or netherworld, seen as both a physical realm beneath the earth, and also as a region of the night sky associated with the Egyptian afterlife. The Am-duat, or "Book of that which is in the Underworld", a funerary text used during Egypt's New Kingdom period, c. 1575-1214 BC, speaks of Sokar as governing the subterranean realm of Rostau, the name given to the Fourth and Fifth Hours of the Duat. The deceased pharaoh in his role as the sun-god would have to navigate through the Duat in order to reach an afterlife among the stars. The ancient Egyptians believed that the trials and tribulations that the soul of the dead pharaoh would have to undergo on his dark journey through the underworld were reflected in the sun's journey through the hours of darkness.

Sokar of Rostau

As the sun-god, the solar orb was seen to enter the duat-underworld at sunset and travel via an imaginary tunnel beneath the earth, before emerging again at dawn on the eastern horizon. This strange chthonic realm was seen to be populated by multitudes of snakes, demons and spirits, and was divided into twelve 'hours', or divisions, reflecting a twelve-fold division of the night.The Fourth and Fifth Hours of the Duat, where the pharaoh as the sun-god approached the midnight hour, were the dominion of Sokar.

Visual appearance of the Fifth Hour of the Duat in the Am-duat text. Note Sokar standing upon a serpent within an oval shaped island, beneath a mound capped by the head of the goddess Isis.

As well as bearing the name Rostau, these particular divsions bore titles such as the "House of Sokar" and the "Land of Sekri" (Sekri being another form of the name Sokar). So different is the deceased's navigation through the Fourth and Fifth Hours of the Duat that Egyptian Egyptologist Selim Hassan (1893-1961) concluded that they were most probably interpolations from a separate tradition dealing solely with the underworld of Rostau, i.e. Giza. Moreover, he wrote that a physical representation of the duat-underworld might once have existed at Giza, especially since pictorial images of the Fourth and Fifth Hours seemed to reflect the manner in which the plateau slopes down from northwest to southeast as viewed from its southeast corner, i.e. from the vicinity of the Aish el-Ghorab cemetery lying beneath the shadow of Gebel Gibli.

In the Fifth Hour Sokar is pictured standing on a double- or multi-headed serpent, holding its wings apart. Both figures appear on an oval-shaped island. This is guarded by a double-headed sphinx known as the aker-lion (akeru in plural). It is also surrounded by a waterway. Unquestionably the island is a representation of the mound of creation in the primeval waters, like that described as existing "north of Memphis" in various ancient Egyptian texts, including the Edfu building texts. Elsewhere the aker-lions are said to protect the entrance and exit to the duat-underworld, symbolising, respectively, the point at which the sun disappears at sunset and rises again at dawn. Selim Hassan equated the aker-lion with Giza's Sphinx monument, which guards the eastern entrance to the plateau (as has Mark Lehner), while a mythical location in funerary texts known as the "Highlands of Aker" has been identified as another name for the hills that encircle Giza.

Not even the sun-god was allowed to penetrate Sokar's secret chamber during his nocturnal journey into an afterlife among the stars, reached following his release from the Duat into the pre-dawn light of the eastern horizon. Instead, the soul of the deceased is pulled along on his night-barque over the top of a conical pyramid-mound often drawn above the aforementioned oval-shaped island on which Sokar stands.

Was the island on water in the Land of Sekri the same as the primeval mound of the Edfu texts? If the Shetayet of Sokar was located in the vicinity of Gebel Gibli then the presence beneath its northern face of the well Bir es-Samman, with its legend concerning subterranean passages leading to either a mythical "palace" or "city", was of deep interest.

Sokar in a shroud within the mound of creation. The sun is shown in the middle of its twelve-hour journey through the Duat, between the fifth and seventh hours as alluded to by the twelve steps of the pyramid mound.

Did the well mark the site of the Shetayet of Sokar, where the entrance - or indeed the eastern exit - to Rostau, the "mouth of the passages", was to be found? Could additional evidence help confirm Gebel Gibli's role in this fascinating saga? We shall see now how Giza's southern hill was used during the Pyramid Age not only as a survey point (as it has been again in modern times), but also as the focus of a unified plan, or "grand design", that decided the placement, and maybe even the visual perspective, of the Giza Pyramids.

5. THE CYGNUS-GIZA CORRELATION

Since pharaonic times the Great Pyramid has been associated with the stars. Its air shafts and descending corridor are thought to align to stars, while as late as medieval times star worshippers called Sabaeans came to Giza from Syria on pilgrimages to venerate the Great Pyramid as the expression of a specific star. Thus when in 1993 Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert in their super bestseller The Orion Mystery saw the three 'belt' stars of Orion as defining the ground-plan of the Giza Pyramids the theory was met with cautious enthusiasm. However, not all were convinced by the "Orion Correlation Theory" (OCT), as it became known.

The three belt stars of Orion overlaid upon the Giza Pyramids (picture copyright: Andrew Collins/Rodney Hale, 2009).

Among the dissenters was chartered engineer Rodney Hale, C.Eng MIET, a friend and colleague of the author. He attempted to superimpose the Orion belt stars upon a plan of the Giza Pyramids. Matching the stars -Alnitak and Alnilam - to the Great and Second Pyramid was easy, but the third star, Mintaka, fell way short of marking the apex of the Third Pyramid. In fact, it did not even hit the pyramid. Extending out this ground-sky overlay to incorporate other nearby pyramids was even less meaningful.

This had always troubled Hale, and whilst working on a research project with the present author to understand the importance in the ancient mindset of Cygnus, the constellation of the celestial swan, known also as the Northern Cross, he had a flash of inspiration.

Hale wondered what would happen if the three main "wing" stars of Cygnus - Gienah (epsilon Cygni), Sadr (gamma Cygni) and Delta Cygni (it has no other name) - which form an arrangement similar to that of the Orion belt stars, were to be superimposed on Giza's pyramid field.

The answer is that the stars matched very well the geographic positions of the three main pyramids better than those of Orion. In addition to this, another key star in Cygnus, the second brightest in the constellation, named Albireo, situated at the base of the constellation's cruciform design, was found to fall upon the heights of Gebel Gibli.

Hale and the author initially felt that Cygnus's brightest star Deneb, as viewed from Giza at the start of the Pyramid Age, would have risen over the Cairo suburb of Matariyeh, which once formed part of the ancient cult centre of Heliopolis (the biblical city of On), meaning "city of the sun". Here was to be found another holy well named Ain-shams, Arabic for "eye of the sun". This lies beneath a very ancient sycamore fig, just like it counterpart at Giza. The earliest descendent of this tree at Heliopolis was sacred to the sky-goddess Nuit, who seems to have been a personification of the Milky Way as it arches over the earth at night. Nuit was said to have given birth each day to the sun-god Ra from a region of the Milky Way known as the Great Rift, where the stars of Cygnus are to be found. She was also said to have given birth to Osiris, whose terrestrial womb would seem to have been equated with the Shetayet, the tomb or chamber of rebirth thought to house the earthly remains of Osiris and located somewhere in the vicinity of Giza.

6. MISTRESS OF THE SOUTHERN SYCAMORE

At Giza the sycamore fig tree, or gomez, was sacred to the goddess Hathor, who bore the title "Mistress of the Southern Sycamore". Hathor was the female patron of Giza, and a strange legend preserved even today speaks of how she fed on the blood of the dead in the necropolis by eating of the crimson red fruit of the gomez in the Islamic cemetery. Local folk tradition records how if a woman wishes to get pregnant she repairs to Bir es-Samman and here eats the fruit of the gomez, which, through its distinctive appearance, has become a universal symbol of fertility.

Hathor in her role as a sky-goddess was the mother of the sun in the form of the falcon god Horus, her name even meaning the 'house of Horus', a reference to her cosmic womb. Also like Nuit, who was perhaps merely an extension of the same goddess, Hathor was personfied in the night sky as the Milky Way. In life every pharaoh was associated with Hathor, whilst the king's mother and wife would be identified with Hathor.

The relationship between Nuit at Heliopolis and Hathor at Giza, connected respectively by their own sacred trees and holy wells, and linked through the influence of Cygnus, only strengthens the case for the constellation's influence in ancient Egyptian astronomy.

Heliopolis was where the astronomer-priests responsible for the design of the Giza Pyramids would have lived and taught their arts. It is towards Heliopolis that American Egyptologist Mark Lehner, the director of the Giza Plateau Mapping Project, believes the pyramids are aligned.

When the author's Cygnus-Giza correlation was published in his book The Cygnus Mystery in 2006 it ignited a ferocious debate which drew in Robert Bauval and his supporters, leading to the question of whether Cygnus or Orion was the better match at Giza? As a consequence, I realized that it would be necessary to verify my claims regarding Cygnus, and so once again the services of technical engineer Rodney Hale were sought. The result of this new work is the new book Beneath the Pyramids.

7. PYRAMID PRECISION

In addition to checking the validity of the initial Cygnus-Giza correlation, which the author found remains compelling, other potential alignments at Giza were now investigated. For example, in 2005 the author had taken some shots of the Giza pyramids as viewed from the ruins of a 'sun' temple built by the pharaoh Userkaf, who initiated the Fifth Dynasty of Egyptian history, c. 2480 BC. The site is located just north of Abusir, a pyramid field some 13 kilometres (8 miles) south-southeast of Giza. Userkaf's sun-temple is one of only two such structures surviving, even though today it is little more than a scattering of desert-ravaged ruins.

American astronomer Dr Ronald Wells had proposed that the monument's raised causeway, which ran from the main temple down to a lower valley temple, was aligned to a sequence of stars used as a star-clock. The first star in the sequence was found to be Deneb, Cygnus's brightest star, with the last one being Sadr, Cygnus's central wing star, located at the centre of the Northern Cross. This discovery led Wells to consider that the star Deneb had in some way been special to Userkaf, who ruled directly after Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure, the builders of the Giza Pyramids.

Looking at the photograph of the Giza pyramids, Rodney Hale now noticed that the perceived heights of the Giza Pyramids as viewed from Userkaf's sun-temple seemed to match the positions of the three Cygnus wing stars as they set in the north-west. This was easily confirmed by synchronizing the three stars over the apexes of their respective pyramids - Gienah with the Third Pyramid, Sadr with the Second Pyramid and delta Cygni with the Great Pyramid, exactly the same order as the original Cygnus-Giza overlay.

Cygnus wing stars overlaid on the Giza Pyramids with the
corresponding horizontal setting lines of the same
three stars as viewed from southeast of the plateau
(Picture copyright: Andrew Collins/Rodney Hale 2009)

On learning of this new match, the author checked survey measurements made during his visit to Userkaf's sun-temple, hoping to find that the recorded azimuth bearings of the Giza Pyramids would permit the three Cygnus wing stars to set down into their respective pyramids as viewed from this spot during the Pyramid Age. Yet Userkaf's sun-temple was located too far south of east for this to have happened with any accuracy. An observation point where this might have occurred, visibility permitting, would have to be at an azimuth much closer to south-east.This fact aside, something did immediately become apparent. The projected line of sight which would have enabled the witnessing of Cygnus's wing stars setting into their respective pyramids was traceable much closer to the Giza plateau.

Having scanned the local landscape, the author realized instantly where this was - Gebel Gibli, Giza's southern hill. This seemed beyond coincidence.

Thus a line was projected from the summit of Gebel Gibli through the centre point of the Second Pyramid, giving an azimuth bearing of approximately 307.5 degrees. The author then ascertained the setting point of Sadr, the pyramid's corresponding Cygnus star as viewed from Giza in 2550 BC, and found that this too was approximately 307.5 degrees, meaning that the star would have extinguished, i.e. set, into the vertical centre line of the Second Pyramid as viewed from Gebel Gibli during this age. Remember, it was the star Sadr that represented the same pyramid in the Cygnus-Giza overlay.

More revelations were to follow. If this Sadr setting line was followed away from the plateau then at a position close to the enigmatic cemetery of Kafr el-Gebel, around two kilometres southeast of the Second Pyramid, all three Cygnus wing stars would have been seen setting into their corresponding pyramids.

One amazing fact concerning the three Giza pyramids is that their apexes form a perfect arc, and if the centre of this circle is traced it falls precisely on the Sadr setting line, close to where the three Cygnus wing stars set into their corresponding pyramids. Is this all simply coincidence?

The tracks of the Cygnus wing stars as they set down into the three Giza Pyramids as seen in 2500 BC. The fourth track is that of Deneb, which does not feature in this multiple alignment(Picture copyright: Andrew Collins/Rodney Hale, 2009).

This was extraordinary confirmation of Cygnus's role at Giza, and subsequent research carried out by Rodney Hale and the author uncovered a number of other major alignments featuring Gebel Gibli, Giza and Cygnus. Such findings made sense of ancient texts, as well as medieval Arabian sources that speak of each pyramid representing an individual star. In addition to this, it was found that as viewed from Gebel Gibli during the Pyramid Age, Cygnus's brightest star Deneb set down each night into the peak of the Second Pyramid.

The bright star Deneb setting down into the apex of the Second Pyramid as viewed from the summit of Gebel Gibli during the Pyramid Age. Note the stream of stars forming the Milky Way trailing up into the sky from around the base of the same pyramid (Picture copyright: Andrew Collins/Rodney Hale, 2009).

On top of this was another curious fact. Inside the Great Pyramid is a bare room high within its solid stone interior known as the King's Chamber. It contains a large granite sarcophagus orientated north-south. For many years writers have speculated as to why the King's Chamber, which some believe once contained the mummy of King Khufu, is positioned south of the monument's vertical centre line at an angle of just over 6 degrees. One quite incredible solution presents itself. In the Pyramid Age, the star Deneb culminated its nightly transit at 83.48 degrees, some 6.12 degrees north of Giza's zenith point, almost exactly in opposition to the King's Chamber's offset.

Anyone lying within the chamber's sarcophagus, with their head in the south and their feet to the north, could have symbolically gazed up through the apex of the Great Pyramid to witness Deneb crossing the meridian each night. Putting it another way, once each day Deneb synchronised perfectly with the apex of the Great Pyramid as viewed from the position of the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber. The fact that the two air-shafts in the north and south walls of the King's Chamber are thought to target the culmination of stars crossing the meridian makes this new Cygnus alignment totally viable. No other star crosses this same path during the Pyramid Age, making it a unique celestial phenomenon with profound implications to the concept of the soul's journey into an afterlife among the northern stars.

8. PLACE OF THE BEGINNING

Many of the alignments identified by Rodney Hale at Giza feature Gebel Gibli, which was almost certainly the plateau's original survey point. Yet it is much more than simply a convenient hill to be used for surveying purposes. It bears two alternative names in Arabic - one being al-Hadbah, meaning the 'high place', a name with religious connotations especially in Semitic religions. The other is 'Tarfiya', an ancient word meaning the 'first place', or the 'place of beginnings', alluding to the hill's role as a primeval mound, from which all else in the outside world took form. Among the geometry fixed on Gebel Gibli is a north-south datum, or meridian, line that targets the Sphinx monument.

The role played at Giza by Gebel Gibli and the well Bir es-Samman was becoming clearer, but why exactly was Cygnus so important to the ancient Egyptian mindset, especially at Giza? Would its role at Giza help us to uncover even more about the plateau's chthonic domain?

Section of the plan of the Giza plateau made by Karl Lepsius in 1842. Gebel Gibli is seen on the left, with the well Bir el-Samman in the centre and the Sphinx on the right. The sycamore grove surrounding the well is sacred to Hathor, the mother of Horus the Elder.

9. THE WOMB OF GOD

Cygnus's role in ancient Egypt's sky religion remains controversial. Dr Ronald Wells, an American astronomer working in the field of Egyptology, has argued that, due to its prominent position where the Milky Way breaks in two to form the Cygnus Rift, the Cygnus stars marked the position of the vulva or womb of the sky-goddess Nuit in her role as the Milky Way. Dr Amanda-Alice Maravelia of the Center for Egyptian Studies at the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS), Moscow, has quite independently affirmed the link between Cygnus, the Milky Way and the body of Nuit in a ground-breaking paper entitled "Cosmic Space and Archetypal Time: Depictions Of The Sky-Goddess", available in PDF format by clicking here.

Nuit personified as the Milky Way, with her womb and vulva marked by the stars of Cygnus and the so-called Cygnus Rift (Picture copyright: Andrew Collins/Rodney Hale 2009).

In ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts the tomb, sarcophagus and coffin of the pharaoh, in his role as Osiris, is equated with the womb of his mother Nuit. Other funerary texts see her body as the tunnel-like Duat, through which the soul of the deceased passes in its role as the sun-god Re. According to Mark Lenher, the soul in its role as the new sun is reignited as it passes through the Fifth Hour of the night. As previously noted, the Fifth Hour of the Duat is named as both the kingdom of Sokar and Rostau, the ancient name for Giza. Thus we can say that the womb of the sky-goddess Nuit, reflected in the sky as the constellation of Cygnus, was associated with Giza's role as the Duat of Memphis. It thus makes sense that the Pyramids of Giza reflected the astronomical positions of principal Cygnus stars, for they were meant to harmonize with the celestial influences associated with the womb of Nuit as the place of rebirth of the soul of the pharaoh when in the Shetayet, or Tomb of Sokar-Osiris. Only by embracing this starry resonance could the pharaoh, as the son of Nuit, achieve transformation into an akh, or glorious spirit, at one with the stars of the northern sky.

10. TOMB OF THE BIRDS

In May 2005, when the well Bir es-Samman was discovered in Giza's Islamic cemetery, the author also visited the site where the star Deneb fell on the plateau's ground-sky overlay. Nothing of any obvious value could be discerned, prompting the question of why this area west of the Great Pyramid might be important.

Investigating the area in question, the author explored a previously overlooked tomb, seemingly used in dynastic times as a bird necropolis (see the new books for further details). Most likely is that the site was associated with a local bird cult, either that of the falcon god Horus, son of Hathor, or, more plausibly, that of Sokar, the patron of the Memphis necropolis.

Only after the author had visited what we came to refer to as "Tomb of the Birds" in January 2007 did he come to realise that it conformed to some quite profound landscape geometry determined in association with the Giza pyramid field by Rodney Hale. More incredibly, the author's colleague, the Egyptological researcher Nigel Skinner-Simpson, discovered that in 1817 Egypt's British Consul General Henry Salt, working alongside the famous Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia, had visited the same area of the plateau and gained access to "Catacombs" that led into deep caves. These were explored for a distance of "several hundred yards" before the two men entered a large chamber that connected with three others of equal size, from which led many "labyrinthick" passages.

Egyptological researcher Nigel Skinner-Simpson, working in concert with the author, then discovered that the entrance to Salt and Caviglia's Catacombs was in the vicinity of the Tomb of the Birds, and was perhaps even the tomb itself.

The fact that Salt and Caviglia had explored Giza's catacombs for a distance of several hundred yards before giving up implied that if these presumably natural caves followed the natural contours of the plateau's underlying geology, then it meant that they could easily link up with a whole labyrinthine network of cave tunnels that existed beneath the main pyramids field, before disappearing beneath Gebel Gibli. These in turn would link with underground waterways, one of which carries water to the well Bir es-Samman, another possible entrance to Giza's hidden realm.

Was the Tomb of the Birds really the true Rostau, the "mouth of the passages", as well as the western entrance to the Duat of Memphis?

I now became determined to get back there as soon as possible and search for answers. Thus I sought sponsorship from the Association of Research of Enlightenment (ARE), the active wing of the Edgar Cayce Foundation, the organisation dedicated to confirming the reality of its founder's predictions for the past 70 years. Suitably impressed by the author's proposals, they agreed to support a cursory exploration of the Tomb of the Birds.

Sue Collins inside Giza's cave underworld (Picture copyright, Andrew Collins 2009).

What we discovered, and how it relates to the search for the Hall of Records, the Underworld of the Soul and the Shetayet of Sokar-Osiris is revealed for the first time in Beneath the Pyramids. It is an incredible journey, and one that I want you to join me in experiencing as we uncover the final truth behind the existence at Giza of an underground realm with a womb-like chamber of first creation reflecting the influence of Cygnus, the visible sign in the night sky of the celestial Shetayet, the womb of the cosmic mother personified as the Milky Way.

For further information on Giza's cave underworld, click here.

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