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Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain over unpaid parking fines
A million motorists with unpaid parking fines face being stopped from leaving the country.

By David Millward, Transport Editor
Last Updated: 7:04AM GMT 16 Mar 2009
Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain over unpaid parking fines
Photo: AP

They risk being caught up in plans to recoup almost £1billion in outstanding fines and court orders imposed for criminal offences as well as driving ones.

Ministers are examining whether to use powers to track the travel plans of everyone leaving the country under a system known as e-Borders to deal with the problem of unpaid fines.

As disclosed by The Daily Telegraph, the scheme will track anyone leaving Britain including day-trippers, leisure sailors and even channel swimmers.

The idea of using the system to detain fine defaulters is contained in an "Explanatory Memorandum" to the Immigration and Asylum Act prepared by the Home Office.

It says that e-Borders could help recoup millions of pounds of unpaid fines, and make it easier to enforce the confiscation of criminals' assets following a court order.

"Whilst not a key e-Borders priority, e-Borders could also contribute to compliance on fine enforcement, if provisions were issued prohibiting travel overseas whilst fines remained unpaid and confiscation orders undischarged."

The memorandum continues: "There are totals of £487 million in outstanding fines and £300 million in unpaid confiscation orders.

"It is important to note that in order to minimize the number of interventions at ports, in this context, the police will be mounting an awareness campaign in partnership with other parts of government and the courts to encourage discharge of fines and will use the data collected through e-Borders to support enforcement activity at ports and elsewhere."

A Home Office spokesman said that the proposals would apply to any unpaid fines issued by the courts, including for speeding and motoring offences as well as those for general crime.

It is anticipated that such powers would be used when substantial arrears have been accumulated.

In the case of parking fines, these provisions would be triggered when the debt becomes the subject of an order issued by Northampton County Court.

The court, which is close to one of the main firms of debt collectors, is used by around 200 local authorities to pursue motorists who have not paid their parking fines.

A Home Office spokesman confirmed that Northampton County Court, which issues around a million orders against motorists, a year would be included in any scheme.

The willingness of the Home Office to contemplate using such powers to enforce parking fines has alarmed motoring organisations, however.

"Somewhere a line has to be drawn between pursuing people for minor offences and those which are more serious," a spokesman for the AA said.

The plans were also condemned by Liberty, the human rights campaign group.

"Any attempt to expand passenger databases or to ban people from leaving the UK without compelling security justification would be a legal and political minefield, said Isabella Sankey, the organisation's policy director.

"Surely the Government must wake up to the wide public concern about personal privacy and disproportionate administrative control."

Chris Grayling, the Tory Home Affairs spokesman, also voiced some concern.

"I am in favour of using innovative methods to ensure that people pay their fines," he said.

"My only worry is that it could become so complicated that we will not be able to control our borders properly."

Asked how the Government justified using the extensive powers contained in the scheme to tackle fine defaulters, a Home Office spokesman replied: "e-Borders allows us to secure the UK's Borders by screening people as they travel in and out of the UK.

"It has already screened over 82m passengers travelling to Britain, leading to more than 2,900 arrests, for crimes including murder, drug dealing and sex offences; e-Gorders helps the police catch criminals attempt to escape justice."

Wystarczy że masz jednego funta niezapłaconych mandatów a nie opuścisz Wielkiej Brytanii.Ale to nie jest jeszcze najciekawsze...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4.....nment.html

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All travel plans to be tracked by Government
The travel plans and personal details of every holidaymaker, business traveller and day-tripper who leaves Britain are to be tracked by the Government, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.

By David Millward, Transport Editor
Last Updated: 4:25PM GMT 14 Mar 2009
Airport terminal: All travel plans to be tracked by Government
Travel operators will supply information on people exiting the UK Photo: BLOOMBERG NEWS

Anyone departing the UK by land, sea or air will have their trip recorded and stored on a database for a decade.

Passengers leaving every international sea port, station or airport will have to supply detailed personal information as well as their travel plans. So-called "booze crusiers" who cross the Channel for a couple of hours to stock up on wine, beer and cigarettes will be subject to the rules.

In addition, weekend sailors and sea fishermen will be caught by the system if they plan to travel to another country - or face the possibility of criminal prosecution.

The owners of light aircraft will also be brought under the system, known as e-borders, which will eventually track 250 million journeys annually.

Even swimmers attempting to cross the Channel and their support teams will be subject to the rules which will require the provision of travellers' personal information such as passport and credit card details, home and email addresses and exact travel plans.

The full extent of the impact of the government's "e-borders" scheme emerged amid warnings that passengers face increased congestion as air, rail and ferry companies introduce some of the changes over the Easter holidays.

The new checks are being introduced piecemeal by the UK Border Agency. By the end of the year 60 per cent of journeys made out of Britain will be affected with 95 per cent of people leaving the country being subject to the plans by the end 2010.

Yachtsmen, leisure boaters, trawlermen and private pilots will be given until 2014 to comply with the programme.

They will be expected to use the internet to send their details each time they leave the country and would face a fine of up to £5,000 should they fail to do so.

Similar penalties will be enforced on airlines, train and ship operators if they fail to provide details of every passenger to the UK Border Agency.

In most cases the information will be expected to be provided 24 hours ahead of travel and will then be stored on a Government database for around ten years.

The changes are being brought in as the Government tries to tighten border controls and increase protection against the threat of international terrorism.

Currently passports are not checked as a matter of routine when people leave the country.

Exit controls for departure to other countries within the European Union were scrapped by the last Conservative Government. The rest were scrapped by Jack Straw, when he became Home Secretary, after Labour won the election in 1997.

However, passport inspections at ports have gradually been reintroduced as the Government looks to prevent anyone on a Government watchlist fleeing the country.

Gwyn Prosser, Labour MP for Dover and a member of the all-party Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "I think e-borders are absolutely necessary," he said. "Governments of all complexions have always been criticised for not knowing who is in the country. This is a very sophisticated way of counting people in and out."

Britain is not the only country to require such information from travel operators. The USA also demands the same information be supplied from passengers wishing to visit America.

But the scale of the scheme has alarmed civil liberties campaigners.

"Your travel data is much more sensitive than you might think," Phil Booth of the privacy group, NO2ID said.

"Given that for obvious reasons we're encouraged not to put our home address on our luggage labels, and especially given the Government's appalling record on looking after our data, it just doesn't seem sensible for it to pass details like this and sensitive financial information around."

"It is a sad refection of the times that the dream of freedom of movement across Europe has had to take second place to concerns about national security," said Edmund King, the AA's president.

"Travellers will need to ensure that their passports are up to date and that details are input accurately if they don't want to end up in a dark room being grilled by border officials."

Ferry firms and Eurostar - who, unlike airlines, do not gather such detailed passenger information - have also raised concerns about the impact on passengers and warned the plans may not even be legal under EU law.

The changes would mean that Eurostar, Eurotunnel and ferry companies will now have to demand passport details from passengers at the time of booking, along with the credit card information and email address which they would have taken at the time of the reservation.

"We are also concerned that the implementation of e-borders could prove expensive and time consuming. For passengers this could mean longer check-in times," a Eurostar spokesman said.

"This will lead to unwelcome queues of vehicles at ferry ports and risks adding unnecessary complications to what always have been and ought to be a simple and straightforward journey," said a spokesman for the Chamber of Shipping.

In particular the Chamber is worried by proposals to include the Republic of Ireland in the e-borders scheme.

"E-borders is a system to carry passport data and at the moment passengers don't need one to cross the Irish Sea."

The plans have also alarmed the Royal Yachting Association. "From a recreational leisure boating point of view, filling in paper work detailing your exact travel plans every time you cross a border is not desirable.," a spokesman said.

"Often the attraction of boat cruising is the freedom it brings – these plans appear to challenge this"

The scheme was condemned by Chris Grayling, the Tories' home affairs spokesman.

"Of course we need to keep a proper record of people as they come in and leave the country.

"My worry is that the Government is creating something which will be unwieldy, impossible to manage and expensive to operate.

"I think this system has to be much simpler."

A UK Border Agency spokesman defended the e-borders scheme. "It allows us to secure the UK's Borders by screening people as they travel in and out of the UK.

"The e-Borders scheme has already screened over 82m passengers travelling to Britain, leading to more than 2,900 arrests, for crimes including murder, drug dealing and sex offences. e-borders helps the police catch criminals attempt to escape justice."

Z jakiegoś powodu w ostatnich dniach na gigantyczną skalę rozpoczęto operację której logicznym następstwem będzie uniemożliwienie większości populacji przeniesienie się z UK,
cała reszta natomiast będzie dokładnie sprawdzana w temacie celu podróży,miejsca pobytu,czasu spędzonego,osób z którymi będziesz się kontaktował...ktoś tu wie o czymś o czym my nie wiemy... Shocked

Flimon

Może blokują odpływ młodej moblnej młodziezy polskiej Smile

Żeby Tusek i Palikot z "przyjaznym państwem" nie odebrali im 3 mln ludności Smile

Bimi

hehe. niektórym to chyba taniej wyjdzie zostawienie samochodu na wyspie niż zapłacenie wszystkich mandatów Laughing

cwaniaczki myśleli ze się wywiną

Prrivan

O,sancta simplicitas!

Gdyby to dość humorystyczne wytłumaczenie było prawdziwe...ale mam wrażenie że coś tu o wiele gorzej cuchnie.Zabronić większości ludności całego kraju-bo każdy ma jakieś tam długi wobec państwa-wyjazdu za granicę to jakby zamknięcie ich w więzieniu.
Reszta będzie dokładnie inwigilowana-śmiem twierdzić że będzie to reszta uprzywilejowana-i będzie to inwigilacja nie tylko z nazwy,bynajmniej.

Więc zostaje pytanie "po co to wszystko".Gdyby jeszcze chodziło o kontrolę wjeżdżajacych mozna by to od biedy wytłumaczyc ochroną przed- Laughing

-terroryzmem,ale tu zabrania się ludziom wyjeżdżać...

@Bimi
Tam nie jest napisane że w razie nie zapłacenia zobowiązań wobec państwa nie będziesz mógł opuścić ich samochodem.Tam jest napisane że w ogóle nie będziesz mógł ich opuścić.

Bimi

Prrivan napisał:

@Bimi
Tam nie jest napisane że w razie nie zapłacenia zobowiązań wobec państwa nie będziesz mógł opuścić ich samochodem.Tam jest napisane że w ogóle nie będziesz mógł ich opuścić.

to chyba mi umknął ten fragment.. zechcesz wskazać palcem? Smile

ja widzę tylko to:

Cytat:

Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain over unpaid parking fines
A million motorists with unpaid parking fines face being stopped from leaving the country.

a drugi news nie jest o zakazie wyjazdu, tylko o zbieraniu informacji o podróży.

więc nie wiem gdzie ty wyczytałeś że nie będziesz mógł opuścić w ogóle?

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Cytat:

"Any attempt to expand passenger databases or to ban people from leaving the UK without compelling security justification would be a legal and political minefield, said Isabella Sankey, the organisation's policy director.

Przynajmniej z kontekstu tak to rozumiem.

JAR

Nie snul bym w tej kwestii zbednych teorii spiskowych. Po prostu dluznicy bankow, instytucji panstwowych, itp. beda scislej kontrolowani, zeby sie wywiazali ze swoich dlugow. Ma sie jasny wybor: albo stoisz sie trybikiem systemu i ponosisz wszelkie tego konsekwencje (system samoudoskonala sie w swoim funkcjonowaniu) albo zyjesz na uboczu systemu nie biorac kredytu, nie korzystajac z auta, itd. Druga mozliwosc zostaje stopniowo czlowiekowi zabroniona albowiem system potrzebuje konsumentow, klientow, kredytobiorcow, a nie ludzi zyjacych na uboczu systemu. W Polsce od 1989 jest praktycznie caly czas kryzys i niszczenie gospodarki, w tym zwlaszcza rolnictwa i wszelkiego co nasze narodowe (stocznie). Jakbysmy zyli jak 30 lat temu uprawiajac wlasna ziemie, to nikt nie potrzebowalby kredytu, banki by nie mialy zarobku.

I jeszcze jedna dygresja. Dlaczego w Anglii napuszczono tyle imigrantow z biednych krajow czy Europy Srodkowej? System potrzebuje nowych kredytobiorcow, bo Angole juz ledwo zipia?

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"Any attempt to expand passenger databases or to ban people from leaving the UK without compelling security justification would be a legal and political minefield, said Isabella Sankey, the organisation's policy director.

Przynajmniej z kontekstu tak to rozumiem.

Tlumaczenie:

"Wszelkie próby do rozszerzenia bazy danych o pasażerach lub zakaz opuszczania ludzi z Wielkiej Brytanii bez przekonującego uzasadnienia bezpieczeństwa bedzie prawnym i politycznym polem minowym, powiedziała Isabella Sankey, dyrektor organizacji polityki."

Jej chodzi o to ze rzad proboje takich rozwiazan i ze moze miec klopot natury prawnej i politycznej, zapomniala wspomniec o spoleczenstwie, ktore raczej nie bedzie z tego zadowolone.
Ale rzad pewnie znowu nas czyms postraszy czy cos wymysli i wszystko przejdzie.
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