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PostWysłany: 21:33, 25 Lis '08   Temat postu: Czy USA się rozpadnie Odpowiedz z cytatem

Ekonomiczny upadek i rozpad na kilka czesci.
Rosyjski profesor pierwszy raz sformulowal ta przepowiednie 10 lat temu (!) na miedzynarodowej konferencji. Teraz ja potwierdza i ciekawe czy sie to spelni.
ZSRR sie rozpadlo teraz kolej na USA ?
Jestem za tym. Im mniej imperialistycznych poteg na swiecie tym spokojniej sie zyje mniejszym narodom.
Choc obawiam sie ze wczesniej polacza USA z Kanada i Meksykiem - w komunie latwiej.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html
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@Rep

Miałeś nosa z tym postem,jako że 7 ze stanów USA ogłosiło w ostatnich dniach...niezależność od rządu centralnego! Idea

http://freedomfighterradio.net/?p=4373

Cytat:

Is Secession Next? As 7 States Quietly Declare Their Independence.

The state of New Hampshire is the only state so far that seems to have the fortitude to do what’s necessary to secure liberty in the traditional American sense. “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny…when the government fears the people there is liberty.”–Thomas Jefferson. It is time to create a climate in our country where the government fears the people. Until our government fears the wrath of the American people, we will continue down the road towards tyranny. We are being laughed at…our petitions and phone calls are being ignored, our e-mails are deleted, and our government no longer fears the public. Until it does, we will continue on the path towards the destruction of our Republic.

Frederick Douglass: “The levels of a tyrant are prescribed by the endurance of those that they oppress.” - Jim Stachowiak (host of Freedom Fighter Radio.net)

Notice To MAINSTREAM Media:

It is amazing that you have refused to publish actual documents from the New Hampshire and Washington State legislatures that inform the Federal Government that most of its laws are illegal, unenforceable, and must cease and desist because they had no constitutional power. What will the traitors in government do now?

Andrew Wallace

In case you didn’t hear about it on the mainstream media (which you haven’t because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring or have already declared sovereignty, including:

Looks like people are waking up, even in politics — I am really concerned that this may escalate into civil war… I hope all other States will follow suit and collapse the false government powers that have been pushed illegally. The BS has gone on far too long and has gone way too far for us to sit back and do nothing anymore — it’s not hidden. Blind Freddy can see it, but they just choose to deny it is a problem as they are ruled by Fear – Debra.

Here are links to States putting up the challenge to your Federal Government:

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html

Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?.....r2024p.htm

Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Michigan
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004

Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM

Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/.....eral-power

It is interesting to note that Arizona explicitly speaks about continuity of government and the role of servicemen.

“…if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state … individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected…”

Full text: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?.....r2024p.htm

“The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified.” — United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).


Jako jeden przykład z siedmiu,deklaracja stanu Waszyngton:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdoc.....eignty.pdf

Cytat:

H-1028.1 _____________________________________________
HOUSE JOINT MEMORIAL 4009
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 61st Legislature 2009 Regular Session
By Representatives Shea, Klippert, Condotta, Kretz, Anderson, McCune,
and Kristiansen
Read first time 01/30/09. Referred to Committee on State Government &
Tribal Affairs.
1 TO THE HONORABLE BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND
2 TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE AND THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF
3 REPRESENTATIVES, AND TO THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
4 UNITED STATES, IN CONGRESS ASSEMBLED, AND TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE
5 SENATE AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF EACH STATE'S
6 LEGISLATURE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
7 We, your Memorialists, the Senate and House of Representatives of
8 the State of Washington, in legislative session assembled, respectfully
9 represent and petition as follows:
10 WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
11 States specifically provides that, "The powers not delegated to the
12 United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
13 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
14 WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal
15 power as being those powers specifically granted to it by the
16 Constitution of the United States and no more; and
17 WHEREAS, Federalism is the constitutional division of powers
18 between the national and state governments and is widely regarded as
19 one of America's most valuable contributions to political science; and
p. 1 HJM 4009
1 WHEREAS, James Madison, "the father of the Constitution," said,
2 "The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined.
3 Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and
4 indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external
5 objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The
6 powers reserved to the several states will extend to all the objects
7 which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties,
8 and properties of the people."; and
9 WHEREAS, Thomas Jefferson emphasized that the states are not
10 "subordinate" to the national government, but rather the two are
11 "coordinate departments of one simple and integral whole. The one is
12 the domestic, the other the foreign branch of the same government.";
13 and
14 WHEREAS, Alexander Hamilton expressed his hope that "the people
15 will always take care to preserve the constitutional equilibrium
16 between the general and the state governments." He believed that "this
17 balance between the national and state governments forms a double
18 security to the people. If one [government] encroaches on their
19 rights, they will find a powerful protection in the other. Indeed,
20 they will both be prevented from overpassing their constitutional
21 limits by [the] certain rivalship which will ever subsist between
22 them."; and
23 WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means
24 that the federal government was created by the states specifically to
25 be limited in its powers relative to those of the various states; and
26 WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as
27 agents of the federal government; and
28 WHEREAS, Many federal mandates are directly in violation of the
29 Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
30 WHEREAS, The United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v.
31 United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply
32 commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
33 WHEREAS, A number of proposals from previous administrations and
34 some now being considered by the present administration and from
35 Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States;
36 NOW, THEREFORE, Your Memorialists respectfully resolve:
37 (1) That the State of Washington hereby claims sovereignty under
HJM 4009 p. 2
1 the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all
2 powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government
3 by the Constitution of the United States
; and
4 (2) That this serve as a Notice and Demand to the federal
5 government to maintain the balance of powers where the Constitution of
6 the United States established it and to cease and desist, effective
7 immediately, any and all mandates that are beyond the scope of its
8 constitutionally delegated powers.
9 BE IT RESOLVED, That copies of this Memorial be immediately
10 transmitted to the Honorable Barack Obama, President of the United
11 States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the
12 House of Representatives, the President of the Senate and the Speaker
13 of the House of Representatives of each state's legislature of the
14 United States of America, and each member of Congress from the State of
15 Washington.
--- END ---
p.


Niech ktoś sprawdzi to źródło jeszcze raz i powie mi że nie mam paranoi,że nie widzę rzeczy które nie istnieją...bo jak to czytam to naprawdę... Exclamation

EDIT:Powyższa wiadomość pochodziła z 7 lutego i jest już nieaktualna.
Na chwilę obecną nie 7 a 9 stanów wypowiedziało posłuszeństwo "centrali"

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10936

Cytat:


9+ States have now declared sovereignty, now add Washington to the
list.

In case you didn't hear about it on the mainstream media (which you
haven't because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are
currently declaring or have already declared sovereignty, including:

Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summ...2009&bill=4009

New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...9/HCR0006.html

Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?
inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Michigan
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004

Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx...ills/HR212.HTM

Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009...lator-charles-
key-wants-to-limit-federal-power

California
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-
0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered

Georgia
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1...text/sr308.htm

Possibly: Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho,
Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, Illinois

It is interesting to note that Arizona explicitly speaks about
continuity of government and the role of servicemen.

.."if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute
martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one
or more of the states without the consent of that state ...
individual members of the military return to their respective states
and report to the Governor until a new President is elected;..."

Full text: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?
inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

"The Tenth Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the
people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not
granted to the United States were reserved to the States or to the
people. It added nothing to the instrument as originally ratified." --
United States v. Sprague, 282 U.S. 716, 733 (1931).

Audio/Video Clip: Ron Paul on the Obama's probable future for US
sovereignty:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?
q=sovereignty&hl=en&emb=1&aq=f#q=sovereignty+obama &hl=en&emb=1

The American Form of Government DVD/Video - JBS Oldie but goody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE

For those unaware, the GOP and the Democrats are playing good cop -
bad cop on the American people. The two political parties work
direcly for the international banking cartel currently working very
hard to destroy the dollar, bring about a collapse of the economy,
then offering a solution to the crisis to the American people by
erasing our soveriegnty, creating a regional (multi-country) currency
and signing on to robust international treaties which undermine and
render the US Constitution dead.

They use terrorism and economic crisis to prompt the American people
to acquiesce to demands. By creating fear and a general sense of
helplessness the public curls up and takes it. Sometimes the truth
comes out in humor, the public laughs and continues to take it.
Sometimes it comes out in public but the corporate news media refuses
to investigate the truth and the media no longer serves the public
interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSk4SUpWVuY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJZw9psqbBw

The cure will be seen by the masses as a 'lesser of two evil'
solution to the crisis they themselves engineered. The Council on
Foreign Relations, the United Nations, the World Bank, Federal
Reserve, Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Homeland
Security, the Conservative Underground, NeoConservatives (NeoCons),
the CIA and countless other think tanks, corporate powers/laws,
standing armies, etc are the enemies of liberty. They are you
guaranteed oppressors who enslave you by incremental alterations in
the fabric of law, society and culture.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=6632255652046262625&ei=7XiKSfSkCoL8rgLXuIHGC w&q=cfr&hl=en

Do not forget, security of the nation does not equal patriotism,
rather defending freedom and an individuals liberty is patriotism.
The Redcoats and many of the first colonists were loyal to King
George. They were known as Loyalists. Those that espoused liberty,
taxation with representation and the formation of a new Republic, the
signers of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution
were not Loyalists, they were known as Patriots..

And so it is today that we find ourselves at the same juncture, a
continuation of the revolution that began so long ago. Be you Loyal
to the Government or be you a defender of the Constitution, for they
are not synonymous. There is no left and right, there is no longer a
difference between the actions a Democrat and a Republican and
absolutely there is not such thing as a liberal or a conservative.

There are only Loyalists or Patriots. Choose.
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PostWysłany: 19:06, 09 Lut '09   Temat postu: Odpowiedz z cytatem

O cholera... a ma ktoś może dane w jakim stopniu te stany proklamowały niezależność? Bo jak to czytam to przecieram oczy i zaczynam wątpić w swoją znajomość angielskiego, z tego co zrozumiałem doprowadziło to do rozpadu USA tak jak chociażby Austrii po I WŚ? Czy coś źle przetłumaczyłem i to tylko takie swoiste machanie szabelką gubernatorów czy kto tam to zarządził.
Edit
http://www.republicofnh.org/
http://www.michiganindependent.com/
No to chyba znalazłem odpowiedź :O.
Już poprawione^^.
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PostWysłany: 19:22, 09 Lut '09   Temat postu: Odpowiedz z cytatem

Nie jest to jakaś rewolucja.

Tutaj chodzi jedynie o to, że stany USA upominają rząd federalny o trzymaniu się swoich kompetencji zawartych w konstytucji. W związku z naginaniem swoich kompetencji przez rząd federalny względem stanów USA poprzednio, jak i planach z tym związanych w kadencji Baracka Obamy, stany te deklarują możliwość odmowy rządowi federalnemu. Jednak chodzi wyłącznie o sprawy nieuregulowane w konstytucji.
Sprawy, które są opisane w konstytucji jako podlegające rządowi federalnemu nadal będą przez niego kierowane. Nie tworzą się tutaj nowe państwa, nadal pozostają stanami USA.

Tak więc stany USA nie ogłaszają pełnej niepodległości. Jednak być może jest to pierwszy krok do walki z wpływami rządu federalnego.

edit:
Zero:
Drugi link, który podałeś to strona miesięcznika stanu Michigan. Istnieje od 2004 roku.
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@Rep niby masz rację ale kto wtedy będzie trzymał za mordę chiny? rosja nie da rady, indie - śmiech na sali. o ue nie ma co wspominać. może wietnam bo kilka razy chinom miskę sklepali Very Happy ?
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PostWysłany: 12:00, 23 Lut '09   Temat postu: Odpowiedz z cytatem

Sześć stanów zbuntowało się przeciwko Barackowi Obamie

Cytat:
Sześć stanów zbuntowało się przeciwko pakietowi pomocowemu, który opracowała administracja Baracka Obamy. Idaho, Mississippi, Luizjana, Teksas, Południowa Karolina i Alaska nie chcą przyjąć rządowych funduszy, które mają być przeznaczone na walkę z bezrobociem - informuje serwis CNN.
Szósta zbuntowanych stanów jest zarządzana przez gubernatorów należących do Partii Republikańskiej. - Jeśli mamy dokonać reformy w myśl pomysłów Białego Domu to oznaczałoby to, ze musimy podnieść podatki płacone przez przedsiębiorców w chwili gdy skończą się rządowe dotacje - a te skończą się za kilka lat - tłumaczy gubernator Mississippi Haley Barbour.

Według ustaleń pakietu pomocowego, stany muszą m.in. wypłacać zasiłek dla bezrobotnych większej liczbie ludzi. Samo zastosowanie pakietu będzie oznaczało konieczność zmiany prawa poszczególnych stanów.

Pakietem federalnej pomocy jest jednak zachwycony republikański gubernator Kalifornii Arnold Schwarzenegger, który uważa , że jest to świetny lek na gospodarcze problemy.

- Jestem bardzo szczęśliwy, że będę mógł wziąć te pieniądze, bo myślę, że Kalifornia ich potrzebuje - powiedział. Jak dodał Schwarzenegger, z chęcią weźmie także te pieniądze, których nie będą chcieli przyjąć gubernatorzy szóstki "zbuntowanych" stanów - informuje serwis CNN.


http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1921515,441,item.html


Jak to mówił Mikke. Jak socjalista chce coś dać za darmo, to trzeba spiepszać.
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tak widac jaki republikanin z Schwarzeneggera
Rozpierniczyl Kalifornie teraz obie lapy wyciaga.
Jak rasowy komuch
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taki z niego republikanin jak z Obamy demokrata
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Tutaj jest opisana sekwencja zdarzen ktora zaskutkowac ma przejeciem majatku USA przez Chiny.
Wyjasnil sie cel wizyty Clintonowej w Chinach.
Wyjasnil sie powod oglaszania suwerennosci przez 9 stanow.
To bedzie szok dla amerykanow.

http://rense.com/general85/give.htm


Cytat:

US Gives China Eminent
Domain Over US Property
Beyond High Treason
A. True Ott, PhD, ND
2-28-9


Let's connect some dots today, boys and girls to learn about the HIGHEST POSSIBLE TREASON that has happened in this country.

THIS IS AS REAL AND AS UGLY AS IT CAN GET.

Dot #1 China begins its covert war on the FREE American republic in the 1950's by taking over much of the PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG manufacturing for American and British Big Pharma. This is an outgrowth of the Rothschild's OPIUM RING PROCESSING by the British West Indies company during the 1800's, and is brokered by the "City of London" and Washington D.C.

Dot #2 Arch-illuminist and satanist Henry Kissinger "normalizes" trade relations with China during the Nixon years.

Dot #3 Eventual LDS (Mormon) Church President Gordon B. Hinckley, via the church-owned Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii, establishes a "hard currency" pipeline with Bejing, exchanging bank "trade credits" for CIA/BRITISH MI6 DRUG SERVICES RENDERED into hard GOLD AND SILVER while hiding behind the cloak of "World Religion". This is facilitated via the LDS-Church built and controlled "Shenzhen Special Economic Zone" adjacent to Hong Kong. When Hinckley is made LDS President, his first "official" visit as "World Prophet" is to China, where the Chinese Communist leaders give him a hero's welcome and a confetti parade. (See attached paper --- "Pensees of a Puzzled Pilgrim" pp 5-6 and Desert News, June 1, 1996 article: "President Hinckley Visits China").

Dot #4 Arkansas natives Bill Clinton and Sam Walton massively increase contracts with China's factories over 2,000%. This results in a tremendous imbalance of trade with China. Thanks to the Mormon "Special Economic Zone" -- China's communist leaders begin amassing incredible "real" wealth in gold and silver.

Dot #5 China purchases TRILLIONS of dollars worth of U.S. Treasury Bills and Bonds, paying for it with gold and silver provided by the Shenzhen Economic Zone exchanges. Much of the U.S. "national debt" is purchased from the private "Federal Reserve" banks in this manner.

Dot #6 Dr. Jeff Taubenberger of the U.S. Institute of Pathology in Ft. Dedrick MD, (The world headquarters for biologic weapons development) successfully maps the genome of the 1918 killer "flu" virus responsible for the 1918 "pandemic" that killed millions.
The worst killer virus ever to plague mankind is now ready to be used as a covert "weapon" disguised as a natural "influenza" mutations.

Dot #6 July, 2005: The Illuminati-conrolled United Nations announces that the world is long over-due for an "influenza pandemic". The H5N1 "Avian Flu" is wrongfully demonized as a COVER.

Dot #7 December 2005: The Chinese Defense Minister, Chi Haotiaon delivers a speech to the Chinese military leaders outlining the inevitable "expansion" of China into Canada, the U.S., and Australia -- He justifies this because of Chinese racial "superiority" and thus "emminent domain". To accomplish this, American would first have to be "Cleansed" by means of a powerful "biological weapon" --- causing 150 -200 MILLION AMERICAN DEATHS!!! The plan would be enacted AFTER the symbolic OLYMPIC GAMES beginning at the sacred day of 8-08-08 are concluded. China begins buying oil and gas futures, spiking the worldwide prices to historic levels.

Dot #8 March 13, 2008: A secret meeting is conducted for the U.S. House and Senate. Agents of the Club of Rome give a preview of upcoming events to elected officials who first swear an oath of secrecy. The traitors are briefed that the economy will begin its collapse in October, 2008 -- and will TOTALLY collapse in mid 2009. As events unfold in 2009-2010, Congress was told of the real possibily of massive civil unrest and even Civil War being waged. Detention camps constructed to imprison civil 'agitators'. See http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34877
for the complete meeting agenda.

Dot #9 In September, 2008 -- as soon as the Olympics are concluded, China stops buying oil and gas futures while dumping U.S. Treasury bills and bonds. Gasoline prices plummet, while the U.S. mortgage loan money becomes tightly constricted. The Club of Rome's agenda is being implemented perfectly.

Dot #10 In October, just as explained in March, the economy indeed begins its collapse with mortgage banks going bankrupt as the Chinese dump their U.S. Securities. This causes a world-wide "rush to liquidity" as money supplies DRASTICALLY tighten.

Dot #11 Billions of worthless U.S. Government "bailout" debit entries are given to bolster failing U.S. Banks. These are "worthless" because China now controls most of the U.S. "REAL" wealth in the form of gold and silver. China refuses to continue investing credit loans to the U.S. Treasury.

Dot #12 Barack Hussein Obama is elected, promising "Change you can believe in." After taking office in January, Obama sends Hillary Clinton on a critical mission to China and helps write H.R. 45 -- a complete grab of America's guns ala Adolph Hitler. State leaders who understand what Clinton and Obama agenda with China is about, are seeking legal "Sovereignty" to prevent the loss of property to a foreign power.

Dot #13 China agrees to continue investing in U.S. Treasury Bills only after securing the right of "eminent domain" to physically repossess foreclosed American PRIVATE PROPERTY. This move is the equivalent of an unconditional surrender following a bloody war.
This also gives the Chinese military the LEGAL RIGHT to use biological weaponry to "Clean up America all at once". It gives them the legal right to use deadly force in removing trespassing Americans from occupying Chinese real estate.

Connect these 13 evil dots, and this is what you get:






FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS

BEIJING, China -- Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves.

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.

This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.

This is an unimaginable betrayal of every man, woman and child in the USA. An outrage worthy of violent overthrow.


-------------- UPDATE 1:40 pm EST

Eminent Domain is the power of government to TAKE private property for public use without the consent of the property owner. Under our Constitution, the government can only "take" when providing "just compensation" for what they've taken.

Who decides what constitutes "just compensation?" The government!

Homeowners who felt the government was not paying them enough for property in past "takings" have filed lawsuits. In absolutely every such case, the value placed upon the property by the government was upheld by the courts.

Our federal government has now granted to China, this power to "take"our homes and businesses in the event the US Gov't defaults on its debts. Let's play this out as a worst case scenario. . . .

The US Gov't goes belly-up and China comes in and says, "they owed us $2 Trillion in Treasury Notes and another $2 Trillion in actual cash money which is now worthless. We are taking the entire state of Hawaii and the entire state of California in lieu of this bad debt. "

With the stroke of a Chinese chop stick, Hawaii and California -- all the land and buildings in those states -- are now owned by China.

The "taking" would be a "valid public use" because it was "taken" in payment of the public debt!!!!

China could then turn around and declare the value of all that land to be worth. . . . . I dunno, ten cents on a dollar?

For your $200,000 house, you get a Chinese check for $20,000.

Needless to say, the property owners would go ballistic and demand "just compensation" for what was taken. Who gets to decide what is "just?" China! Don't think you got a fair price for what they took? No problem, sue China.

You'll lose.

People who live in those states and own their land outright, might be able to negotiate with China to "rent" back their own property, as long as the property owner continued to pay all his taxes; but the land and buildings would belong to China.

This is what our own Government has just done to us and it is the single most vile act of betrayal in the history of human existence.

------------- SECOND UPDATE 3:48 PM

In early February nine U.S. States began the process of re- asserting their Sovereignty pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the US Constitution; declaring null and void any actions by Congress that violated the Constitution.

The states took action to make certain the feds couldn't give away cities or the states themselves!

This situation is going to get VERY ugly, VERY fast as one sovereign power (the feds) try to literally give away the land of other sovereign powers, (the states). This is the type of thing that starts Civil War.

Our present federal government makes the treachery and betrayal of Benedict Arnold look like child's play.
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przepowiednie królowej Saby-"żółta rasa zaleje cały świat" ... no i co?
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gorzej jak USA wpakuje się przez to w wojnę z Chinami, to nie biedny Afganistan i słaby Irak, przy takich siłach dojdzie do użycia atomowych arsenałów :/
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@archetyp

Jak się nie znasz w danym temacie, ale chciałbyś za wszelką ceną błysnąć na forum to wejdź w zakładke " kosz " i podyskutuj z kolegami .

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gorzej jak USA wpakuje się przez to w wojnę z Chinami, to nie biedny Afganistan i słaby Irak, przy takich siłach dojdzie do użycia atomowych arsenałów :/


Jaka wojna USA - Chiny ??? Jakie atomówki ??? broń atomowa przy bombie neutronowej, czy chemicznej to mała zabawka. Powtarzam jeszcze raz, to nie od USA zależą losy świata ( ale widze, że działanie telewizji na was bardzo działa ) tylko od Izraela .
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XTC88 piszesz te swoje teksty od XX czasu i ani razu nie podałeś słowa wyjaśnienia. Wszystko bez pokrycia, czyli nic nie warte. Albo krytykujesz innych twierdząc, że g... wiedzą, albo piszesz katastroficzne teksty, niczym ich nie popierając. Napisałbyś może swój artykuł jak ty to wszystko widzisz może? Łącznie z tym, skąd takie myślenie a nie inne. Skąd bierzesz te swoje informacje? Tylko mi nie mów, że zmyślasz.

Żeby nie robić OT:

Jeśli ta sytuacja z Chinami jest prawdziwa, to USA popełniły ogromny błąd. Takie uzależnienie prędzej czy później prowadzi albo do przewrotów, albo do pełnej kontroli/niewoli.
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@Volv

Bardzo chętnie odpowiem na twoje pytania, jeśli ty odpowiesz na Moje Razz

1.Kto założył al-kaide i w jakim celu ?
2. Kto stoi na czele Kościoła RzymskoKatolickiego ?
3. Wymień 3 największe organizacje terrorystyczne na świecie .

Jak odpowiesz dobrze na 3 pytania, to napisze tobie dlaczego piszę tak a nie inaczej. Pytania są banalnie proste. Znasz na nie odpowiedź :/
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Rosyjski analityk i wykładowca akademicki na Moscow Diplomatic Academy,Igor Panarin,prognozuje rozpad USA najpóźniej do końca 2010 roku:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/03/russian-us-will.html

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The dean at Russia's Foreign Ministry school in Moscow says President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order, the Associated Press reports.

"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Igor Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy.

Panarin said the recent economic turmoil in the U.S. and other "social and cultural phenomena" led him to move up his timetable for "The End" — when the United States will break up and Alaska will revert to Russian control. He linked America's social and cultural issues to the large prison populations and large numbers of gay men.

Alexei Malashenko, a scholar-in-residence at the Carnegie Moscow Center who did not attend the lecture, told the AP that Russia is the country on the verge of disintegration.

"I can't imagine at all how the United States could ever fall apart," Malashenko said.

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Z cyklu:Czego nie powie ci TVN

Wczoraj popołudniu przed nowojorskim ratuszem odbyła się jedna z największych demonstracji w historii miasta;50000 osób protestowało przeciwko cięciom w budżecie.
Podone manifestacje niezadowolenia społecznego odbyły się w całym stanie Nowy Jork.

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/recession.budget.protest.2.951551.html

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Mar 6, 2009 6:11 am US/Eastern
BUDGET BACKLASH: Thousands Rally At City Hall
Taxpayers Furious With Budget Cuts Take Frustration To Streets Of NYC
Organizers Say 50,000 On Hand For 'Rally For New York'
Reporting Hazel Sanchez NEW YORK (CBS) ―

A protester holds a sign at a massive rally outside Manhattan's City Hall on March 5, 2009.

A massive budget backlash came to lower Manhattan on Thursday. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers marched on City Hall, rallying to stop proposed funding cuts.

The rally cries of labor unions, community groups and families outside City Hall could be heard throughout lower Manhattan. Desperation for an economic lifeline brought out more than 50,000 people along several blocks of Broadway in a self-described "Rally For New York."

Their message for Gov. David Paterson came in the form of booming chants:

"No more cuts! No more cuts!"

Everyday New Yorkers had their own personal messages for the governor as well.

"Governor Paterson, I wish you could have an open heart that we are going to suffer if this budget cut goes through," said China Lankford of Jamaica.

Paterson has proposed closing a $15 billion state budget gap by making cuts across the board,
including $2.5 billion in education, $3.2 billion in health care and billions more in cuts to vital programs such as senior services, disability services, housing assistance and crisis intervention programs.

Protestors insisted Thursday that there's a better way. They're asking for what they call "fair tax reform" -- raising state taxes for New Yorkers making $250,000 or more on top of the president's proposed hikes.

"For those of you who prosper during boom time, we ask them pay a little bit more. Pay a little more so New York can avoid cutting the services that our most vulnerable need," United Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten said.

"The cut back is putting people out of jobs," said Ruth Cardona of Local 1199. "No health care and also the education part of it is wrong."

George Altomare, a retired teacher, made his voice heard as well.

"You can't cut the budget the way it is and still have the quality we're aiming for," Altomare said.

Workers said they will continue to fight for their part of the economic pie.

Simultaneous rallies were also coordinated in cities around the state on Thursday, including Albany, Buffalo and White Plains.
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ciekawy filmik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjkYHagtVjw&feature=related
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Delfin napisał:
ciekawy filmik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjkYHagtVjw&feature=related


Było już gdzieś Smile
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http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/states_send_warning_170.html
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STATES SEND WARNING TO FEDS

States say feds will not usurp powers guaranteed to them by 9th, 10th Amendments

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By Pat Shannan

More than 20 states have passed recent resolutions in defiance of the central government’s intrusion into their liberties and governing powers, with all including a demand to obey the Constitution’s Ninth and Tenth Amendments. New Hampshire has issued what may be the harshest “Don’t Tread on Me” caveat of all.

Citing its own state constitution, the New Hampshire Legislature has issued its recent resolution “affirming states’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles” and reminding any Washington interventionists of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments in the U.S. Constitution as well as Part 1, Article 7 of their own state document that declares “. . . that the people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto . . .”

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It continued: “Resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring: that the Constitution of the United States, having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations, slavery, and no other crimes whatsoever; and it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that ‘the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people,’ therefore all acts of Congress which assume to create, define, or punish crimes, other than those so enumerated in the Constitution are altogether void, and of no force; and that the power to create, define, and punish such other crimes is reserved, and, of right, appertains solely and exclusively to the respective States, each within its own territory; and . . .

“That any act by the Congress of the United States, executive order of the president of the United States of America or judicial order by the judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several states or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:

“I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the states without the consent of the legislature of that state.

“II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

“III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

“IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.

“V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.

“VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and “That should any such act of Congress become law or executive order or judicial order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several states individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the states seeking to form a government.”

Ever since Vermont threatened secession and others of the 20-plus have issued lesser threatening notices of intentions, all have made it clear that they are not happy with the current situation, and the action of all indicates that the New World Order may have a bigger problem on its hands than it initially considered.

The 21 states so far that have either introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments or are about to do so include: Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Washington, Pennsylvania, Maine, Nevada, Kansas, Indiana, Idaho, Georgia, Colorado, California, Arkansas, Alabama, Alaska, and, of course, New Hampshire.

In another defiance of unconstitutional federal controls, governors are telling Washington bureaucrats that, under the 10th Amendment, they cannot dictate spending or other actions to the states. (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”)

“We are telling the federal government that we are a sovereign state,” said Arizona state representative Judy Burges, who is leading an effort in her state to pass a resolution called “Sovereignty: the 10th Amendment.”

Oklahoma state Sen. Randy Brogdon (R) introduced a resolution he said would enable his state to “reclaim the 10th Amendment right to reject any and all acts of Congress that go beyond its enumerated powers in violation
of the 10th Amendment.”

Republican governors Mark Sanford of South Carolina, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Rick Perry of Texas expressed reservations about accepting stimulus funds because they are concerned that the federal government will dictate how it is spent.

The federal government extracts money from their taxpayers, sends a bit of it back and then dictates how it is spent, they argue.

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Chuck Norris mowi min:
- o drugiej rewolucji amerykanskiej,
- o odlaczeniu Teksasu,
- o swojej kandydaturze na prezydenta Teksasu,
- o tysiacach prawicowych grup przygotowanych do rebelii przeciwko rzadowi USA.

http://blacklistednews.com/news-3580-0-21-21--.htmle

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The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the military to refuse the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized and are ready for a second American Revolution. During an appearance on the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse from his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of the United States in the first place and that if rebellion is to come through secession Texas would lead the way.

Today in his syndicated column on WorldNetDaily Norris reiterates the point: “That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not me, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.”

He continues; calling on a second American Revolution; “…we've bastardized the First Amendment, reinterpreted America's religious history and secularized our society until we ooze skepticism and circumvent religion on every level of public and private life.

How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the authority according to America's Declaration of Independence, which states: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…”

Norris claims that; “Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.” The right wing cells will meet during a live telecast, "We Surround Them," on Friday March 13 at 5 p.m.

He closes with the words of Sam Houston followed by a plug for his next martial arts event.

“We view ourselves on the eve of battle."

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Rep napisał:
Chuck Norris mowi min:
- o drugiej rewolucji amerykanskiej,
- o odlaczeniu Teksasu,
- o swojej kandydaturze na prezydenta Teksasu,
- o tysiacach prawicowych grup przygotowanych do rebelii przeciwko rzadowi USA.

Nie znałem Chuck'a od tej strony do tej pory myślałem, że to wyłącznie jedyny człowiek na świecie który potrafi siedzieć na krześle, które niesie Wink
A tak na poważnie to już któryś z rzędu celebrities mówiący głośno co się tak naprawdę w USA dzieje.
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Cytat:
We Surround Them; a movement of right wing cell groups to be unveiled on Fox News Channel Friday

Yesterday in his WorldNetDaily.com column I May Run for President of Texas Chuck Norris alluded to thousands of cell groups meeting this Friday to take the country back. The meetings are organized under Glenn Beck’s You Are Not Alone campaign as a new movement called: We Surround Them. Details about the movement will be unveiled on Fox News Channel this Friday during Beck’s program at 5 p.m. EST.

According to the group’s website the organizing principle is 9/12, i.e. after 9/11 all things changed. The organizers apparently consider the election of Barack Obama another 9/11: “We are faced with yet another attack on our freedoms. This one doesn't come in the form of airplanes, but is an assault on our core freedoms, principles and values. Our Constitution hangs by a thread, our economy has been sold, our rights trampled, our future compromised.” The site is run by “Debra” who prefers to remain anonymous. In the 9/12 vein Beck lists 9 principles and 12 values; only those who agree with 7 of the 9 are eligible for membership.

The meetings, organized through MeetUp.com appear to have limited success with Beck listing less than 30 sites holding meetings to watch the unveiling; not the thousands claimed by Mr. Norris,. Some sites include houses of worship which may create problems with the IRS if the meeting is considered a partisan event.

The impetus for the creation of this network of neighborhood cell groups is spelled out by Beck on his website:

Do you watch the direction that America is being taken in and feel powerless to stop it?

Do you believe that your voice isn’t loud enough to be heard above the noise anymore?

Do you read the headlines everyday and feel an empty pit in your stomach…as if you’re completely alone?

If so, then you’ve fallen for the Wizard of Oz lie. While the voices you hear in the distance may sound intimidating, as if they surround us from all sides—the reality is very different. Once you pull the curtain away you realize that there are only a few people pressing the buttons, and their voices are weak. The truth is that they don’t surround us at all.

We surround them

During the Clinton administration right wing militia groups sprang up, literally training members for battle to prepare for the overthrow of what they considered an illegitimate U.S. government. After the Oklahoma City bombing many believed the harsh rhetoric of right wing talk radio gave aid and comfort to dangerous groups willing to use violent means if necessary.

Friday may shed more light on what the surrounders intend for those they surround.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2071-DC-Specia.....nel-Friday
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Ponad 100 mln amerykanów ma w swoim domu broń , jeżeli naprawde dojdzie do zamieszek, w największych amerykańskich aglomeracjach to dojdzie do największej rzeźi w dziejach świata :/

W 2010 roku prawdopodobnie dojdzie do zamieszek , najpierw muszą wprowadzić kodeks żywniościowy, większośc ludzi się zirytuje i zaczną się pierwsze ogromne demonstracje, elita to wykorzysta i dojdzie do rzeźi ;] .

Natomiast tego lata dojdzie( może dojść ) do kolejnego ogromnego ataku terrorystycznego, który będzie poprzedzał jakieś wielkie wydarzenie.( akcja CIA prawdopodobnie na bliskim wschodzie , albo w północnej Afryce , tak myśle ) :/ Wspomnicie Moje słowa .
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PostWysłany: 00:58, 11 Mar '09   Temat postu: Odpowiedz z cytatem

Najgorsze nie jest to, że te Stany się "zbuntowały", ale to, że te Stany, w przypadku wojny domowej, zostaną uznane za rasistowskie i buntujące się przeciw "czarnemu" prezydentowi. Będzie to jeden z wielu argumentów, który uwiarygodni prezydenta w oczach ludzkości (owiec, które becząc idą za większością).

Amerykanie mają problem, a przy tym i my. Dużo sie nie uda zrobić z pozycji w której my Polacy jesteśmy teraz.
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PostWysłany: 01:28, 11 Mar '09   Temat postu: Odpowiedz z cytatem

polska to taki nie udolny kraj, ze nwo tu na pewno nie wypali.
sorry, ale tutaj jakos bedzie sie zylo ...
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PostWysłany: 11:40, 11 Mar '09   Temat postu: Czy USA się rozpadnie Odpowiedz z cytatem

A namiotowe miasta dla wypędzonych przez banki z domów rosną jak grzyby po deszczu Evil or Very Mad

http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1590213,0,1,kryzys-wypedza-ich-do-namiotow,wiadomosc.html

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10:32, 11.03.2009 /APTN
Kryzys wypędza ich do namiotów
W USA ROŚNIE BEZROBOCIE

W Kalifornii w alarmującym tempie wyrastają kryzysowe "miasteczka" namiotowe. Przeprowadzają się do nich ludzie, którzy padli ofiarą kryzysu.
Coraz więcej mieszkańców Kalifornii pozbawionych pracy i mieszkania decyduje się zamieszkać w namiocie. Jedno z takich miasteczek w Sacramento powstało na 40-akrowym nieużytku i liczy około 300 mieszkańców.

Mieszka tam m.in. małżeństwo Vauhgan, którzy przeprowadzili się tam pół roku temu, kiedy oboje stracili pracę. – Pracowaliśmy w tej samej firmie i oboje zostaliśmy zwolnieni tego samego dnia – opowiada Tracy Vaughan. Inny mieszkaniec miasteczka Erich Platz mówi, że od miesięcy nie może znaleźć żadnego zajęcia. – Nic się nie dzieje w budownictwie, nic w stolarce, kompletny zastój - ubolewa. W namiocie mieszka od kilku tygodni.

Schroniska dla bezdomnych w Sacramento pękają w szwach. Nie ma już miejsca i łóżek, żeby przyjmować nowych lokatorów. Także Loaves and Fishes Friendship Park, organizacja charytatywna, która zajmuje się pomocą dla bezdomnych, odnotowała, że przychodzi coraz więcej osób. – Przychodzą całymi rodzinami, po kilka osób naraz. Wcześniej pojawiali się tu raczej mężczyźni, którzy rozpili się i zostawili swoją rodzinę – opowiada pracownik tej organizacji.

W ostatnich miesiącach pracę w USA straciło 4,4 mln ludzi. Stopa bezrobocia w lutym wzrosła do 8,1 proc.

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