Amerykanie chcąc usprawiedliwić inwazję muszą podać powód. Na pewno nie podadzą prawdziwego, tylko zaczną straszyć irańska bombą. Oczywiście przedstawią "dowody" itd. Ahmed chce im wytracic z ręki broń zanim jej użyją. Będzie chciał wykazać ich wcześniejsze kłamstwa (ciekawe czy wróci do incydentu w zatoce tonkijskiej ), które biorą swój początek 11/9. Czy to powstrzyma skurwysynów? Nie, ale może trochę opóźnić i osłabić moralnie.
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Tak, na pewno zaczna grzebac na Waszym forum I na pewno wezma je na powaznie gdy doczytaja sie w najlepszym przypadku o manipulacjach cytatami i zdjeciami (prym wioda Steve Jones i ekipa od Loose Change) a w najgorszym o hologramach, rakietach i tv fakery
Zapewne żaden polityk nie jest uczciwy i prawdomówny. Inaczej nie byłby politykiem... Gdy słucha się jednak prezydenta Iranu i następnie skonfrontuje z "przywódcą" USA, to jest on okazem nieskazitelności i praworządności. Takie mam oczywiście subiektywne odczucie.
Mam dokładnie to samo, ale nie wolno za bardzo ulegać sugestii bo można się sparzyć, tak naprawdę mało wiemy o nim. A nasze media nie ułatwiają nam poznania tego przywódcy bliżej.
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To nieprawdopodobne, jak tzw. "zachodnia kultura" (sic)zeszła na psy. Więc pozostańmy może wschodem. Może niezbyt dalekim, ale jednak. Może lepiej utożsamiać się z miejscem, gdzie słońce wschodzi, niż zachodzi. Nomen omen...
Zachodnia kultura zawsze była kulturą miecza i ognia. Więc za bardzo schodzić na psy nie ma z czego... Ona zawsze taka była.
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U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday condemned as hateful, offensive and inexcusable a suggestion by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of a U.S. government role in the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Ahmadinejad also said there may be a meeting next month on his country's disputed nuclear program.
Obama, in an interview with the BBC Persian news service, lashed out at Ahmadinejad for the latest of what the White House called a long list of outrageous comments that would deepen Tehran's isolation from the international community.
"It was offensive. It was hateful," Obama said according to interview excerpts released by the White House. "And particularly for him to make the statement here in Manhattan, just a little north of Ground Zero, where families lost their loved ones ... for him to make a statement like that was inexcusable."
The United States and its Western allies are locked in a standoff with Iran over its nuclear program, which Washington believes aims to produce atomic weapons but which Tehran says is for solely peaceful purposes.
Obama decided to sit down for the interview before Ahmadinejad made his 9/11 comments as a way of speaking directly to the Iranian people. BBC Persian is broadcast in Farsi, the dominant language in Iran.
Ahmadinejad, in an address at the United Nations General Assembly on Thursday, said it was mostly U.S. government officials and statesmen who believed al Qaeda militants carried out the suicide plane hijacking attacks that brought down New York's World Trade Centre and hit the Pentagon outside Washington.
He said that another theory was that "some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack." He continued to discuss the issue on Friday, calling the background to the attacks "suspicious" during a news conference.
A senior White House official told reporters the remarks were part of a pattern from Ahmadinejad, including denial of the Holocaust, that would further isolate the country and harm the interests of its people.
In Obama's speech at the United Nations on Thursday, he reiterated the U.S. position that the door to diplomacy with Iran remained open but that Tehran must fulfil international obligations over its nuclear program.
Ahmadinejad told a news conference on Friday he was ready for talks with the international community, and that an Iranian official might meet next month with world powers pressuring the country to prove its nuclear program is purely peaceful.
For months, Western nations have been urging Iran to return to the negotiating table -- there have been no substantive talks since late last year -- but with no visible success.
Zapewne żaden polityk nie jest uczciwy i prawdomówny. Inaczej nie byłby politykiem... Gdy słucha się jednak prezydenta Iranu i następnie skonfrontuje z "przywódcą" USA, to jest on okazem nieskazitelności i praworządności. Takie mam oczywiście subiektywne odczucie.
Mam dokładnie to samo, ale nie wolno za bardzo ulegać sugestii bo można się sparzyć, tak naprawdę mało wiemy o nim. A nasze media nie ułatwiają nam poznania tego przywódcy bliżej.
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To nieprawdopodobne, jak tzw. "zachodnia kultura" (sic)zeszła na psy. Więc pozostańmy może wschodem. Może niezbyt dalekim, ale jednak. Może lepiej utożsamiać się z miejscem, gdzie słońce wschodzi, niż zachodzi. Nomen omen...
Zachodnia kultura zawsze była kulturą miecza i ognia. Więc za bardzo schodzić na psy nie ma z czego... Ona zawsze taka była.
Stąd mój cudzysłów
Odnośnie wypowiedzi prezydenta Iranu:
Nie muszę wiele wiedzieć o człowieku, aby ocenić, czy mądrze gada.
"Musi im być ciężko...
Tym, którzy wzięli autorytet za prawdę,
zamiast prawdę za autorytet. "
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nacho66 napisał:
a co twoim zdaniem mial powiedziec Obama w tej sytuacji?
że zgadza się przeprowadzić międzynarodowe śledztwo w sprawie 9/11 i prosi ONZ o pomoc w zapewnieniu jego niezależności?
ewentualnie mógł powiedzieć to co powiedział tylko w skrócie, bez owijania w bawełnę.
czyli byłoby to coś w stylu: jestem syjonistycznym agentem bezczelnie i bez ogródek dymającym swoich wyborców więc chuj wam w dupę, czarnuchy.
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has once again renewed a call for a probe into the 9/11 US terror attacks, insisting that facts about the event must be clearly established.
The US and its allies used the September 11 incident as a pretext to come to the Middle East region and carried out whatever they wanted, President Ahmadinejad said on Sunday.
The Iranian chief executive urged the United States to respond to hundreds of questions that still remain unanswered regarding the 9/11 attacks.
He emphasized that the US started a game in order to "attack our region," adding that Washington seeks to plunder regional assets and dominate the entire region.
President Ahmadinejad urged the United States to identify and execute the rouge elements involved in the 9/11 attacks that killed 3,000 people and declared, "We are ready to help Washington arrest them if it supplies us with the evidence."
He also pointed to US crimes in the region and urged Washington to apologize to the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan for its criminal measures.
The president demanded that the US stop committing crimes and pull out of the region before regional nations drive it out by force.
In his September 22 speech at the UN General Assembly in New York, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad raised serious doubts about the credibility of Washington's account of the source and nature of the attacks implying that a “very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack.”
Ahmadinejad said that despite US efforts to establish its own version of events as facts, many throughout the world remain unconvinced and believe that “some segments within the US government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its loosening grips on the Middle East in order to save the Zionist regime [of Israel].”
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Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast says half of people in Europe and America are suspicious of the September 11 events in the United States.
"Many in the West blame the US government in the occurrence of the September 11 incident," IRNA reported Mehmanparast as saying at a press conference in the Iranian city of Isfahan on Thursday.
He also made a reference to the recent visit of the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to New York for a United Nations General Assembly session on the UN's Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) and said President Ahmadinejad's "trip to the UN was a good opportunity to set forth Iran's public diplomacy, which conveyed Iran's message to the world."
The spokesperson further pointed to the "dubious" nature of the 9/11 event and said, "The US government needs to allow for the clarification of ambiguities regarding the incident and to refrain from jumping into hasty conclusions."
Mehmanparast also stressed the need for a probe into the event and said the US system, which claims to advocate freedom, should agree to such investigations as the event has entailed 'grave' consequences.
He explained that the United States embarked on a hunt for terrorists around the world under the pretext of the 9/11 but has failed to illuminate the true causes of the incident.
The Iranian official also condemned the killing of civilians in the World Trade Center attacks on September 11, 2001.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used his speech at the UN General Assembly on Thursday to accuse the U.S. and other Western powers of a range of crimes.
Delegations from a number of UN member states, including the U.S., U.K, France, Germany and Israel either left the hall during Ahmadinejad’s appearance or were not present at its onset.
Ahmadinejad said the September 11, 2001 attacks were "mysterious" and that they had been used as a "pretext" for U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
He also said "arrogant powers" forbid any questioning of either the 9/11 attacks or the Holocaust.
“They threaten anyone who questions the Holocaust and the September 11 event with sanctions and military actions,” he said.
The vast majority of Ahmadinejad’s statements were in the form of rhetorical questions.
“Who abducted forcefully millions of people from their homes in Africa?” he said, before suggesting compensation for the victims of slavery.
"Which governments are always ready to drop thousands of bombs on other countries, but ponder and hesitate to provide aid to famine-stricken people in Somalia or in other places?" he also asked.
Although he made no direct comment on the Arab uprisings, he asked “can the flowers of democracy blossom from NATO missiles?”
He also criticized the killing of Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces and his subsequent burial at sea.
But Ahmadinejad did not comment on the imminent Palestinian bid for statehood. The U.S. has said it will veto any Palestinian request to the Security Council for full member status of the UN.
Ahmadinejad’s speech came two days after two U.S. hikers found guilty of espionage were released from an Iranian jail and allowed to leave the country.
Hundreds of people gathered outside the UN building to protest the Iranian leader's presence.
They call him a murderer and say he's worse than Hitler... Just some of the accusations aimed at the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, by activists in New York who're opposed to his visit to the UN General Assembly. RT's Kristin Frazao looks at why America views Iran as public enemy number one.
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Hehe. The Guardian donosi, że Al Kaida wzywa Ahmadinejada by przestał rozpowiadać teorie spiskowe n.t. 9/11
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Al-Qaida calls on Ahmadinejad to end 9/11 conspiracy theories
Al-Qaida has sent a message to the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, asking him to stop spreading conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks.
Iranian media on Wednesday reported quotes from what appears to be an article published in the latest issue of the al-Qaida English language magazine, Inspire, which described Ahmadinejad's remarks over the 11 September attacks as "ridiculous".
In his UN general assembly speech last week, Ahmadinejad cast doubt over the official version of the 2001 attacks.
"The Iranian government has professed on the tongue of its president Ahmadinejad that it does not believe that al-Qaida was behind 9/11 but rather, the US government," the article said, according to Iranian media. "So we may ask the question: why would Iran ascribe to such a ridiculous belief that stands in the face of all logic and evidence?"
Ahmadinejad said in New York that the "mysterious September 11 incident" had been used as a pretext to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. He had also previously expressed scepticism at the US version of events.
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A tu to samo za PressTV:
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Ahmadinejad 9/11 speech irks al-Qaeda
The shadowy al-Qaeda group has reportedly criticized Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for spreading “conspiracy theories” about 9/11 attacks, casting doubt on the alleged role of the terrorist group in the incidents.
An article published in the latest issue of al-Qaeda's English-language magazine Inspire criticized President Ahmadinejad's UN remarks over the September 11 attacks as "ridiculous," Western media report.
Nie wiem czy zauważyliście, że Guardian powołuje w swej informacji się na "Iranian media on Wednesday reported", gdy z kolei Press TV (irańskie medium) podaje że to "Western media report".
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Tymczasem USA dalej twardo - w drugą stronę
Iran Accused Of Being Behind 9/11 Attacks (Part I)
The U.S. court judgment issued in December 2011 (Havlish v. Iran) which blames the Iran government for the 9/11 attacks is part of the propaganda ploy, which consists in demonizing the Islamic Republic of Iran. It is part and parcel of America’s ongoing war against Iran since the overthrow of its U.S.-backed monarchy in 1979.
Like many similar lawsuits in America, this legal procedure’s ultimate goal is to draw off important sums of money from the Iranian government leading to the possible confiscation of assets, thereby further strangling the country’s economy, already targeted by U.S. sanctions, while simultaneously reinforcing Iran’s image of a “state sponsor of terrorism”.
This ruling allows the families involved to claim damages from the Iranian government as well from a number of Iranian State corporations, the amount of which is still unknown, but could reach billions, like last December’s judgement which found Iran liable for the 1983 Beirut bombings.
This judicial procedure is nothing more than another vicious weapon in the fabricated “War on Terror” to be used against another Muslim country, with a view to destabilizing Iran as well as justifying ongoing military threats. It also says a lot more about the people behind the lawsuit than about the accused. The expert witnesses who testified against Iran are very active in warmongering neocon circles. They belong to a web of architects of the 21st century Middle-Eastern wars, ranging from high profile propagandists to intelligence and military officers, including former U.S. officials.
In addition, all three branches of the U.S. government, under both Republicans and Democrats, contributed to make this and other legal attacks against Iran possible, while preventing comparable cases against the Saudi monarchy, most notably a case accusing Saudi Arabia for the 9/11 attacks. Although the evidence pertaining to the role of Saudi Arabia in 9/11 remains classified, the available evidence in the public domaine indicates more connections between Al Qaeda and the Saudi monarchy than those allegedly pertaining to Iran.
But what makes this case absurd is that in September 2011, a few months before the judgment, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has questioned the official 9/11 narrative, was accused by Al-Qaeda leaders of “spreading conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks”. The semi-official media outlet of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, insisted that al-Qaeda “had been behind the attacks and criticised the Iranian president for discrediting the terrorist group.”
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), które biorą swój początek 11/9. Czy to powstrzyma skurwysynów? Nie, ale może trochę opóźnić i osłabić moralnie.
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